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[Pegojack]

Thank for your reply Jack. I personally would vote for reform at this moment time (might change in 4 years) as I agree with "alot" of what they say and am fed up of the other parties promising to do things and then not doing them. If reform get in and fail then I believe it would have been worth a try of something different.

How do you feel about the female Reform supporter who received a jail sentence for advocating burning down a hotel housing immigrant men, women and children, and who received an ovation when she appeared at the recent Reform conference?

 

[Pompeyjack]

How do you feel about the female Reform supporter who received a jail sentence for advocating burning down a hotel housing immigrant men, women and children, and who received an ovation when she appeared at the recent Reform conference?

I don't agree with anyone posting or saying anything promoting violence in any way, shape or form. Would she (or anyone else posting stuff online) say things like that in an open debate? Probably not. My point.

 

[Neath_Jack]

The reason I originally posted on here was give my view on people's use of language when they don't agree with someone else's views. I find being called a knuckle dragger a little offensive, but I'm old enough to understand your point. The youth of today (who are far more access to social media) on right/left might not be as understanding and then this is when things escalate.

Which is your right to be offended, nobody will take that away from you. I’m offended by Welsh people who are prepared to vote for an English nationalist party. See how it works?

And right wingers main schtick is freedom of speech, freedom of speech. Well if my freedom of speech offends them then quite frankly that’s tough tities, isn’t it.

 

[Neath_Jack]

4. Better option than the current imbeciles

So which of their policies, especially their Welsh ones do you like?

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

I don't agree with anyone posting or saying anything promoting violence in any way, shape or form. Would she (or anyone else posting stuff online) say things like that in an open debate? Probably not. My point.

What she would or wouldn't say in a theoretical open debate is irrelevant.

The fact is she called for immigrants to be burnt alive in a post that reached thousands of people, and rightly got jailed. Yet Nige and co rolled her out at conference as some sort of martyr.

You've just said you want to vote for that mind. That's what you'd be voting for.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

4. Better option than the current imbeciles

So option 3 then.

 

[Ringwood]

So option 3 then.

I don't vote for any of them

 

[Neath_Jack]

So which of their policies, especially their Welsh ones do you like?

Exactly.

 

[JackSomething]

Exactly.

Well, the one where he's going to re-open the blast furnaces at Port Talbot of course. Oh wait...

Reform's whole appeal is based on being a protest party, telling the voters that everything bad in their lives is the result of other people, immigrants, transgender people, woke policies, etc. It worked for Nigel with Brexit and it worked for Trump, so why wouldn't they try it again?

The most important aspect in a general election is to demonise the incumbent government of course. So the usual agents on social media push that narrative and the generally supine mainstream media does a terrible job of countering with actual facts. It's why so many people say 'this Labour government is somehow even worse than the last lot', yet when you ask for examples of what they've done that's worse than the clown show we had at times under Boris, Truss, et al, they have almost nothing concrete they can point to.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Patriots.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1966947949696725007

 

[rockinj]

Lol, so I'm a "disgusting" knuckle dragger? As I say "I respect your views"

It’s pathetic mate.

Wouldn’t vote for reform in a month of Sundays but not every reform voter or prospective voter is this way. Many are 100% racists but not all.

Many will be people who are simply finding the system isn’t working for them and want to blow it up. They’re using a vehicle in reform to do this.

I listen to a lot of ex politicians complaining about the system as things stand and how difficult it is to make big changes.

Now this suggests the need for big “reform” (clever name) I absolutely do not agree reform as a party are the answer.

But let’s be frank something is badly wrong with things as they stand today.

Unless people with more moderate viewpoints truly start having radical answers and communicate these effectively there is no chance.

 

[stevethejack]

 

[Michu78]

I never voted in the last election and looks like I won't be voting in the next one. I hate all the main three parties for one reason or another. I feel like we are moving in the direction similar to the film idiocracy(2006).

 

[Ringwood]

Exactly.

Why the Welsh ones?

 

[Ringwood]

I'd challenge you to spend some time listening to the likes of Farage, Tice, Anderson, and Widdecombe talk about Reform's plans and still type that while honestly believing it.

The current lot may not be great, but listening to the bunch listed above for any length of time makes the 'current imbeciles' all sound inspiring!

Who said I'm voting Reform !?! ... I've not stated that anywhere .. Lib Dems and Greens have more of a presence where i live.

It appears on this forum if you don't like Labour you are a racist right winger and if you hate Reform you are a left loony.

The way country is run currently might suit some.. equally the opposite for many reasons.