The Chairman speaks

[Jack2jack]

Data driven understanding, WTF does that even mean. I'll tell 'ew what we need, is an experienced head, who can get a tune out of an average squad, and steady a sinking ship. Jeezuz. Rocket science it ain't.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

Did the data driven approach result in us appointing Duff and wasting millions on non entity players then?

 

[FearOfAJackPlanet]

Did the data driven approach result in us appointing Duff and wasting millions on non entity players then?

Computer says yes.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

That was my first thought too. After I'd nearly gagged on 'football department'. We are a football club mind.

I genuinely hate rich kid know it all American 'businessmen'.

The thing is, real stats stuff works in American sports because it’s so simple. Play one move, reset, play another move, reset and so on.

5 yards, 2nd down, 2 yards, 3rd down, kick, start again. Or hit it, don’t hit it, first base, 3rd base whatever.

Football is fluid. There are very few set plays really. So just using stats is far more unrealistic. Hence why the ‘xG’ table bears little resemblance to the actual table. Stats have begun to dominate football because big companies make loads of money from it.

Obviously there is valid statistical analysis, but it’s not the be all and end all. Tactical adaptation during games wins matches. Not some stats driven ‘this is the way we play’ stuff.

Better players and a better manager win more stuff. We sell our better players and have no clue on management it seems. So you have to be clever. Not use the same stats as everyone else. If you all use the same, the richer teams win. It’s as simple as that. Unless we think we have analysts that are cleverer than anyone else. Which would be surprising given we don’t pay much and change them all the time.
We did well before because we had very good recruitment and a clever tactical approach. We now have some bloke from Luton (who didn’t even recruit at Luton as far as we can see) and bugger all else.

 

[Niigata Jack]

The thing is, real stats stuff works in American sports because it’s so simple. Play one move, reset, play another move, reset and so on.

5 yards, 2nd down, 2 yards, 3rd down, kick, start again. Or hit it, don’t hit it, first base, 3rd base whatever.

Football is fluid. There are very few set plays really. So just using stats is far more unrealistic. Hence why the ‘xG’ table bears little resemblance to the actual table. Stats have begun to dominate football because big companies make loads of money from it.

Obviously there is valid statistical analysis, but it’s not the be all and end all. Tactical adaptation during games wins matches. Not some stats driven ‘this is the way we play’ stuff.

Better players and a better manager win more stuff. We sell our better players and have no clue on management it seems. So you have to be clever. Not use the same stats as everyone else. If you all use the same, the richer teams win. It’s as simple as that. Unless we think we have analysts that are cleverer than anyone else. Which would be surprising given we don’t pay much and change them all the time.
We did well before because we had very good recruitment and a clever tactical approach. We now have some bloke from Luton (who didn’t even recruit at Luton as far as we can see) and bugger all else.

They're fucking clueless, its that simple, they saw Luton get promoted on a shoestring and thought we can do that, so brought in Watson etc, imagination and common-sense has never been a premium in the psyche of the most Americans.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

This is going to end SPECTACULARLY badly.

 

[Skippyjack]

Football is a simple game, complicated by idiots.. lots of goals scored, and few goals conceded are the only stats you need.. if you don't do neither, you won't get promoted.. you can get the pass metrics out and if the majority of passes are in your own half, alarm bells should be ringing, a long pass shouldn't be frowned upon.. but remember, players instinct scores goals and not metrics.. players who assist goals have got to see the pass.. i think NFL can be used, because you've got to make certain runs, but in soccer you've got more quarterbacks to pass it.. football is not as robotic or repetitive as the NFL.. you're more likely to make mistakes

 

[SwanseaSleuth]

Some xenophobic comments on this thread. Granted it's a claptrap statement, but has nothing to do with the fact he's American. There shouldn't have been a statement at all, but once again the Club has succumbed to pressure from the social media warriors who demand a play-by-play commentary of how the Club is run. The ownership group need to get on with the managerial search, cut this nonsense out and ignore the baying mob who moan about the Swans all day on Twitter.

 

[monmouth]

Football is a simple game, complicated by idiots.. lots of goals scored, and few goals conceded are the only stats you need.. if you don't do neither, you won't get promoted.. you can get the pass metrics out and if the majority of passes are in your own half, alarm bells should be ringing, a long pass shouldn't be frowned upon.. but remember, players instinct scores goals and not metrics.. players who assist goals have got to see the pass.. i think NFL can be used, because you've got to make certain runs, but in soccer you've got more quarterbacks to pass it.. football is not as robotic or repetitive as the NFL.. you're more likely to make mistakes

Gerd Muller was asked how he scored so many goals and how he always seemed to be in right place at the right time. He said his instinct told him ‘Gerd go here’ ‘Gerd go there’.

He’d be rubbish with today’s ‘coaching’.

 

[Skippyjack]

Gerd Muller was asked how he scored so many goals and how he always seemed to be in right place at the right time. He said his instinct told him ‘Gerd go here’ ‘Gerd go there’.

He’d be rubbish with today’s ‘coaching’.

Sports these days are about athletic power.. all these injuries are due to overworking.. this is the reason why they don't control a football well enough in the EFL.. they're athletes attempting to play football

 

[Deleted member 1454]

Either that or it'll be Nathan Jones.

We've run the data and he was the top man.

With the utmost respect, I really hope you're wrong.

 

[Deleted member 1454]

The thing is, real stats stuff works in American sports because it’s so simple. Play one move, reset, play another move, reset and so on.

5 yards, 2nd down, 2 yards, 3rd down, kick, start again. Or hit it, don’t hit it, first base, 3rd base whatever.

Football is fluid. There are very few set plays really. So just using stats is far more unrealistic. Hence why the ‘xG’ table bears little resemblance to the actual table. Stats have begun to dominate football because big companies make loads of money from it.

Obviously there is valid statistical analysis, but it’s not the be all and end all. Tactical adaptation during games wins matches. Not some stats driven ‘this is the way we play’ stuff.

Better players and a better manager win more stuff. We sell our better players and have no clue on management it seems. So you have to be clever. Not use the same stats as everyone else. If you all use the same, the richer teams win. It’s as simple as that. Unless we think we have analysts that are cleverer than anyone else. Which would be surprising given we don’t pay much and change them all the time.
We did well before because we had very good recruitment and a clever tactical approach. We now have some bloke from Luton (who didn’t even recruit at Luton as far as we can see) and bugger all else.

This is spot on.

Football has too many variables to be reduced down to raw data.

For example can referees have that much influence on American sports? I'd say not.

But you get an idiot like Madley turn up like he did for Sunderland, and ruin the game in the first 15 mins, you can chuck your stats pack in the bin.

An injury to a key player here, bad weather conditions there - there are no metrics on earth that can account for that sort of thing.

They don't get it, and never will.

 

[LeonWasTheDog's]

Whenever you hear from clubs who’ve used data well, it’s always only ever to support decisions. A second opinion, if you like. Putting it centre stage like this as a substitute for experience is going to have us going tits up (again).

 

[Niigata Jack]

Whenever you hear from clubs who’ve used data well, it’s always only ever to support decisions. A second opinion, if you like. Putting it centre stage like this as a substitute for experience is going to have us going tits up (again).

DrP, Dimi, Duffle bag and his countless other usernames, swore by stats and data, Im fucked if I know how Shanks, Paisley and Busby all managed in their days without them, no wonder sport becomes sterile and boring when its all about data and stats.

 

[Longlostjack]

Just pack your bags and take your metrics with you. Try sorting out the basics like having a plan in place before you fire a manager. How about sorting lines of communication out? A complete and utter shambles.