The dallying and procrastination continues

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

https://twitter.com/stujames75/status/1658020412003950592?t=L340-b4HCcmQc1_wQbdFuQ&s=19

Just get on with it! Either way!

 

[Ringwood Jack]

Southampton already have possession game but just crap owners who keep interfering with on pitch issues. I think Norwich could be where the temptation for Martin to jump ship

 

[3swan]

The question should be why?

Isn't there a new chairman representing the ownership, supposedly to be the mouthpiece on the ground?

 

[jasper_T]

What does "get on with it" mean? He has a contract to do the job for another year, if the owners aren't keen to throw a new long-term contract at him (and given how poor we were for half the season who could blame them?) wait and see is a valid option. Maybe Southampton actually are mad enough to try to sign him, in which case we pick up a small amount of compensation. If not he can continue to do the job he's paid for, or quit if he's not happy with it.

Think of the Championship clubs going in to the summer with no manager or no wages being paid before getting worked up about our situation imo. Martin's agent will be busy planting stories, that's what he's paid for, but everyone else can relax and dally for a bit.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

It means decide something either way. Just because other clubs are a shambles doesn't mean we should sit idley by does it? Alternatively some other clubs are already making signings.

If they don't want to offer him a long term contract, offer him an intermediate extension. To wait to hope that someone else may or may not come in for him is rather silly, as you say we'd only receive a small amount of compensation anyway.

This needs to sorted or everything else could be on hold. No reason to prolong it.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

The question should be why?

Isn't there a new chairman representing the ownership, supposedly to be the mouthpiece on the ground?

The reports are that he made decision over a week ago. Considering his propensity for publicly responding to media reports (invented or real), I assume that's fairly accurate. Don't see what would have changed between now and then (or earlier frankly). Thr southampton interest is a red herring. They'll pay if they want him no matter what contract he has. We've extended deals before (Rodgers/Bony) knowing / expecting interest.

Why not now?

 

[sainthelens]

Wotever the fck it's for, get sorted and quick. Too many times we've been pissing around in the summer leaving stuff till last minute.
So get this, players contracts/signings in and out done asap.
Perfect world eh.

 

[jasper_T]

It means decide something either way. Just because other clubs are a shambles doesn't mean we should sit idley by does it? Alternatively some other clubs are already making signings.

If they don't want to offer him a long term contract, offer him an intermediate extension. To wait to hope that someone else may or may not come in for him is rather silly, as you say we'd only receive a small amount of compensation anyway.

This needs to sorted or everything else could be on hold. No reason to prolong it.

Why does he need an extension? If he starts the season poorly then we'll be in the same "too expensive to sack" problem that potentially kept him in the job during the abysmal 23 game sequence that only ended a couple of months ago. He has a contract that covers the next 12 months, doing nothing is a perfectly valid option for a club with our budget and recent record.

He and his agent have been banging the "clarification" drum so loud that many seem to have forgotten that he can simply get his head down and do the job he's paid for (as many demand our players do whenever disputes arise), that's the default option for all concerned.

Players sign for clubs knowing that any manager could be gone before they know it. Only 26/72 managers in the EFL have been in the job longer than 12 months. Only 14 have survived 2 years (Martin is 15th longest-serving). How much "clarification" does an extended contract actually provide these days?

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

Why does he need an extension? If he starts the season poorly then we'll be in the same "too expensive to sack" problem that potentially kept him in the job during the abysmal 23 game sequence that only ended a couple of months ago. He has a contract that covers the next 12 months, doing nothing is a perfectly valid option for a club with our budget and recent record.


He and his agent have been banging the "clarification" drum so loud that many seem to have forgotten that he can simply get his head down and do the job he's paid for (as many demand our players do whenever disputes arise), that's the default option for all concerned.

Players sign for clubs knowing that any manager could be gone before they know it. Only 26/72 managers in the EFL have been in the job longer than 12 months. Only 14 have survived 2 years (Martin is 15th longest-serving). How much "clarification" does an extended contract actually provide these days?

If they don't feel he deserves or needs an extension, so be it, but then they run the risk of him being poached and receiving little Compensation and the uncertainty of having a manager in the final year of his contract.

Hardly ideal when pitching to prospective players joining us and we probably aren't going to pay wages large enough to compete with a Middlesbrough for example for Ogbene for example. Is he going to feel happy joining a team where the manager demonstrably doesn't have the backing of the owners and will probably be gone after a year? Why not eliminate that variable now?

Martin's terms will surely be known by now so there's not much more that can be done his side.

Or sack him and appoint someone else so proper preparation can start.

 

[Itchysphincter]

If they don't feel he deserves or needs an extension, so be it, but then they run the risk of him being poached and receiving little Compensation and the uncertainty of having a manager in the final year of his contract.

A risk worth taking Shirley.

 

[Vetchonian]

What is the issue as others have stated Russ has a contract for another 12 months why the rush to get it extended?

He hasnt exactly set the world alight over the last two seasons, what has he done to persuade the ownership he is worthy of a long term deal?

IF he gets poached ( which I doubt) we will receive some compo form his current contract.
Lets him prove himself between August and Christmas then possibly consideration could be given to a new deal

Lets not forget it was not that long ago many were calling for his head during that wonderful run of losses

 

[jasper_T]

Hardly ideal when pitching to prospective players joining us and we probably aren't going to pay wages large enough to compete with a Middlesbrough for example for Ogbene for example. Is he going to feel happy joining a team where the manager demonstrably doesn't have the backing of the owners and will probably be gone after a year? Why not eliminate that variable now?

Whatever team Ogbene elects to join will have a manager that will "probably be gone after a year". That's just the reality of EFL football. 45 out of 71 current managers have been in the hot seat for no more than 12 months. That's almost 2/3rds of clubs that have changed, and it's realistic to expect a similar fraction will change again going forward. Even managers who sign long term contracts are not immune to losing their jobs/finding a better one, it realistically doesn't eliminate any variable.

 

[JackSomething]

God forbid that a manager who has produced 15th and 10th place finishes should be expected to start next season strong to earn a new contract...

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

Whatever team Ogbene elects to join will have a manager that will "probably be gone after a year". That's just the reality of EFL football. 45 out of 71 current managers have been in the hot seat for no more than 12 months. That's almost 2/3rds of clubs that have changed, and it's realistic to expect a similar fraction will change again going forward. Even managers who sign long term contracts are not immune to losing their jobs/finding a better one, it realistically doesn't eliminate any variable.

But that's not by design. A manager getting sacked as a reaction by a board is very different to trying to persuade a guy to sign who is out of contract at the end of the season.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

What is the issue as others have stated Russ has a contract for another 12 months why the rush to get it extended?

He hasnt exactly set the world alight over the last two seasons, what has he done to persuade the ownership he is worthy of a long term deal?

IF he gets poached ( which I doubt) we will receive some compo form his current contract.
Lets him prove himself between August and Christmas then possibly consideration could be given to a new deal

Lets not forget it was not that long ago many were calling for his head during that wonderful run of losses

I didn't express a rush to give a new contract specifically. I expressed some urgency in getting some stability either way. Be that Martin new contract, Martin confirmed for 1 last season or Martin gone and replaced.