The Liverpool incident.

[Neath_Jack]

No I’m not stupid you chopsy twat I was getting at some of the drink driving convictions where someone loses their life because people are driving over the limit that don’t get anything near this sentence.
I have absolutely no doubt and I speak from experience that people were severely traumatised by this but as far as I’m aware nobody died and I assume are now getting on with their lives.

Oh and learn to quote too.

Do you think the sentence is too lenient?

 

[Darran]

Do you think the sentence is too lenient?

All depends how much he serves,I’ve said it before but he’s been given 21.6 years but it’s highly unlikely he’ll serve 21.6 years.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

No I’m not stupid you chopsy twat I was getting at some of the drink driving convictions where someone loses their life because people are driving over the limit that don’t get anything near this sentence.
I have absolutely no doubt and I speak from experience that people were severely traumatised by this but as far as I’m aware nobody died and I assume are now getting on with their lives.

Oh and learn to quote too.

The difference between this and most drink driving convictions is intent. This man deliberately drove into a hundred or more people. Including reversing at them. Most drink driving convictions do not show someone acting to deliberately set out to cause harm. And I’m not excusing drink driving - I think we are too lenient and people are utter arseholes if they drive having had a drink,
What this man did was tantamount to firing a gun into a crowd of people.

 

[Darran]

The difference between this and most drink driving convictions is intent. This man deliberately drove into a hundred or more people. Including reversing at them. Most drink driving convictions do not show someone acting to deliberately set out to cause harm. And I’m not excusing drink driving - I think we are too lenient and people are utter arseholes if they drive having had a drink,
What this man did was tantamount to firing a gun into a crowd of people.

Well no they’re usually drunk and don’t know what they’re doing and when they actually kill somebody it’s tantamount to death.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Well no they’re usually drunk and don’t know what they’re doing and when they actually kill somebody it’s tantamount to death.

They still don’t drive with the intent to harm.

This sentence is an example of good sentencing imo. I’m pleased it reflected how severe a crime it was.

 

[Neath_Jack]

All depends how much he serves,I’ve said it before but he’s been given 21.6 years but it’s highly unlikely he’ll serve 21.6 years.

Aye he’ll do around 14 years I expect. He should never walk free again imo.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

I'm amazed that anyone can justify the actions he took that day, he ploughed into 130 people with children amongst them as well, that's some fucking temper he's got, fuck my eyes.

Former Marine colleagues testified he was the sort of bloke to deck someone just for looking at him the wrong way.

Nasty piece of work, and I'm amazed he'd somehow gone 30-odd years without flipping, as it seems it was a regular occurrence for him once upon a time.

 

[Darran]

Aye he’ll do around 14 years I expect. He should never walk free again imo.

Yes I agree and compared to things like this it’s bizarre.

Lucy Dyer jailed for killing baby in Llanelli drink-drive crash

Six-month-old Eva Maria Nichifor was in a car which was hit by 23-year-old Lucy Dyer.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Former Marine colleagues testified he was the sort of bloke to deck someone just for looking at him the wrong way.

Nasty piece of work, and I'm amazed he'd somehow gone 30-odd years without flipping, as it seems it was a regular occurrence for him once upon a time.

We don’t know what he was like at home.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Yes I agree and compared to things like this it’s bizarre.

Lucy Dyer jailed for killing baby in Llanelli drink-drive crash

Six-month-old Eva Maria Nichifor was in a car which was hit by 23-year-old Lucy Dyer.

www.bbc.co.uk

As horrific as that is, you can’t compare the two. But to add, that person in your link should also have had a lot longer bird, but that’ll be the fault of the sentencing guidelines.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Well I’m sure the revellers hurt will be ok for Christmas unlike the baby in the link above.

You are beginning to sound insane Darran. Genuinely.

 

[Darran]

As horrific as that is, you can’t compare the two. But to add, that person in your link should also have had a lot longer bird, but that’ll be the fault of the sentencing guidelines.

Again I agree but my initial point was the discrepancy in sentences is bizarre.
If he’d killed just one person half a mile away before he turned into the street of revellers whilst over the limit he’d probably have had less.

 

[Darran]

You are beginning to sound insane Darran. Genuinely.

Am I wrong then?

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Am I wrong then?

Yes.

You are conflating entirely different crimes.

 

[Darran]

Oh and on a side note why does a judge in the same sentence (in many cases) say “I’m jailing you for 21 years but you can come out after 14.”