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Trump 2.0

rockinj

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This is a completely different ball game.

Expansionism is now the order of the day. The US/Israeli axis has really fully come to fruition now.

The breeding ground for more and more extreme politics is there now.

I do honestly think that this had been in the works for years and I do think a lot of the more radical elements on the left have created a conservative backlash. Moderation has been squeezed.

Europe is drifting Far right or Hard right. Conservatism is in retreat or is appeasing e.g. Germany. Watch them very closely.

Please don’t come back with a cliched response that I’ve attacked the left. This is a serious point. Moderation has to wake up and start truly listening to concerns and not just saying they’ll do things but act on it.
 
I think it’s very clear to see that the centre is being squeezed. We have a fairly centrist/centre left government here for the last few months and they’re getting pilloried by what I’ve called in my head the new right for being commies and from elements of the left for not being radical enough. And they’ve done very little that didn’t actually have to be done to keep the country afloat. If anything they’ve been way too timid but it’s a long game.

Trump is just the front man of the MAGA movement, a clueless imbecile to put in front of the cameras. The real movers and shakers are far more sinister. We live in dangerous times. The USA is now a rogue state.
 
I think it’s very clear to see that the centre is being squeezed. We have a fairly centrist/centre left government here for the last few months and they’re getting pilloried by what I’ve called in my head the new right for being commies and from elements of the left for not being radical enough. And they’ve done very little that didn’t actually have to be done to keep the country afloat. If anything they’ve been way too timid but it’s a long game.

Trump is just the front man of the MAGA movement, a clueless imbecile to put in front of the cameras. The real movers and shakers are far more sinister. We live in dangerous times. The USA is now a rogue state.
I think Starmer is coming up against an increasingly communication based soundbite culture that rewards rhetoric over outcomes. That’s the problem, he’s a good man but he’s a politician built for better times.

I sincerely hope that he is successful in his strive to be judged on what he does than how he communicates because this is good for politics overall.

I’m in agreement in the end the orange man is an agent of chaos that allows more sinister forces to operate. But although completely nuts his appeal is that he is a man of action right or wrong. That’s the problem centrism is up against as that requires compromise, rule of law and trade offs.

There are big dangers at moment. The hard right is gaining more and more support in the younger age bracket and of course they’ll always have a base in the reactionary old.

My take is that the moderates need to recognise they have made mistakes and probably do need to refocus their energies to what people care about because if they don’t this will continue and gain more momentum.

Eg immigration. Admit failings. Admit it’s been too high for too long. But also stare the public in the eye and explain the reason for it and the trade offs. Tell the public students are not to be counted in figures as they’re temporary and that they will mean REDUCED taxation as a result as they fund that sector. Stop pussy footing around on Europe explain Brexit has ruined cross border collaboration and say we will be working closely to stop issue of boats.

I’m saying stop treating everyone like idiots. There’s about 10-15% who will always buy the snake oil. Ignore them. You can’t teach stupid but you can teach ignorant. Hammer messages in a strong direct way and ideally get figures from across spectrum to fess up.

Diversity - reframe the argument. Move on from identity politics. Focus on opportunity for those at the bottom. But be assertive about this not in a very technocratic way. This should have cross party support. I actually do think diversity jobs are a load of nonsense and a waste of money and there should simply be more money ploughed into opportunities for working class kids. But as ever because it’s gone too far the backlash in states is complete withdrawal from it ‘all’ which has impacts.

Fundamentally there needs to a recognition of mistakes but these forces must be faced down or we’re in for a very dark period in history.
 
I think Trump could be laying the foundations for America's next Vietnam.
Can you imagine the Palestinians and their terrorist buddies just rolling over and letting the orange manbaby and his chums get on with constructing hotels, golf courses and the like?
 
I think Starmer is coming up against an increasingly communication based soundbite culture that rewards rhetoric over outcomes. That’s the problem, he’s a good man but he’s a politician built for better times.

I sincerely hope that he is successful in his strive to be judged on what he does than how he communicates because this is good for politics overall.

I’m in agreement in the end the orange man is an agent of chaos that allows more sinister forces to operate. But although completely nuts his appeal is that he is a man of action right or wrong. That’s the problem centrism is up against as that requires compromise, rule of law and trade offs.

There are big dangers at moment. The hard right is gaining more and more support in the younger age bracket and of course they’ll always have a base in the reactionary old.

My take is that the moderates need to recognise they have made mistakes and probably do need to refocus their energies to what people care about because if they don’t this will continue and gain more momentum.

Eg immigration. Admit failings. Admit it’s been too high for too long. But also stare the public in the eye and explain the reason for it and the trade offs. Tell the public students are not to be counted in figures as they’re temporary and that they will mean REDUCED taxation as a result as they fund that sector. Stop pussy footing around on Europe explain Brexit has ruined cross border collaboration and say we will be working closely to stop issue of boats.

I’m saying stop treating everyone like idiots. There’s about 10-15% who will always buy the snake oil. Ignore them. You can’t teach stupid but you can teach ignorant. Hammer messages in a strong direct way and ideally get figures from across spectrum to fess up.

Diversity - reframe the argument. Move on from identity politics. Focus on opportunity for those at the bottom. But be assertive about this not in a very technocratic way. This should have cross party support. I actually do think diversity jobs are a load of nonsense and a waste of money and there should simply be more money ploughed into opportunities for working class kids. But as ever because it’s gone too far the backlash in states is complete withdrawal from it ‘all’ which has impacts.

Fundamentally there needs to a recognition of mistakes but these forces must be faced down or we’re in for a very dark period in history.
Your first paragraph is an almost word for word retort that I gave earlier on another platform.
I would like to say that is a well written piece. No arguments from me.
 
I think Trump could be laying the foundations for America's next Vietnam.
Can you imagine the Palestinians and their terrorist buddies just rolling over and letting the orange manbaby and his chums get on with constructing hotels, golf courses and the like?
I heard his press secretary saying that Trump was thinking outside the box on this one, as previous solutions had not worked. I'm not so sure that this latest scheme has been thought through and will probably exacerbate any tensions in the region, it more than likely going to make it 10 times worse. Basically as ideas go it's pretty shite.
 
I heard his press secretary saying that Trump was thinking outside the box on this one, as previous solutions had not worked. I'm not so sure that this latest scheme has been thought through and will probably exacerbate any tensions in the region, it more than likely going to make it 10 times worse. Basically as ideas go it's pretty shite.
I heard an interview this morning and it was stated that Trumps ramblings could set things off like a firecracker.
The man's a crackpot.
 
I heard an interview this morning and it was stated that Trumps ramblings could set things off like a firecracker.
The man's a crackpot.
So he's going to turn Gaza, into the next Dubai. Beyond idiotic. Does he think it's going to be that simple.
 
I heard his press secretary saying that Trump was thinking outside the box on this one, as previous solutions had not worked. I'm not so sure that this latest scheme has been thought through and will probably exacerbate any tensions in the region, it more than likely going to make it 10 times worse. Basically as ideas go it's pretty shite.
This is the man of course that thought injecting yourself with bleach would cure Covid.
 
So he's going to turn Gaza, into the next Dubai. Beyond idiotic. Does he think it's going to be that simple.
Probably. Buy the ‘little people’ out and build. It’s a developers thinking that knows nothing of global events. He wants to sell his golf courses. Everything is about him and his cabal making money.
 
Probably. Buy the ‘little people’ out and build. It’s a developers thinking that knows nothing of global events. He wants to sell his golf courses. Everything is about him and his cabal making money.
This is peoples lives, unfortunately, they are seen as collateral damage. Look I hope and pray I'm completely wrong, I'm not holding my breath.
 
Probably. Buy the ‘little people’ out and build. It’s a developers thinking that knows nothing of global events. He wants to sell his golf courses. Everything is about him and his cabal making money.
That, imho, is the American way, not just Trump's way.
 
Isn't this just another (albeit escalated) version of the usual Trump playbook? Threaten other countries with some batshit insane idea, softening them up when it comes to the negotiating table?

It looks like Canada and Mexico are agreeing to do some of what he wants (border security) now they've been threatened with tariffs. I can't see how bullying and threatening supposed allies will work in the long term (not to mention it's reprehensible behaviour for a country that styled itself as 'the leader of the free world'), but it seems to be working in the short term. Also probably a good insight into his business dealings over the years, essentially all his 'art of the deal' nonsense boils down to having the bigger stick and threatening to use it.
 

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