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[rockinj]

This video should provide enough insight into how we’ve got to this position:

Completely fucked up but it’s not an isolated situation at all.

Enough already.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Starmer isn't a "good man" at all.

He's a massive hypocrite and a liar who said all the right things to become leader, then u-turned like buggery on pretty much everything he'd said as soon as power was obtained.

Since becoming PM I would agree that he's had to put up with a lot of nonsense from a vehemently pro-Right national media and much of it has been confected bollocks, anything to have a pop at him.

But, at the same time, his decision making has often been questionable, and for my money he spends far too much time pandering to right wing crap, like letting Liz Kendall loose to attack people on benefits this week (utterly tiresome stuff) and his speech accusing civil servants of being "happy in a tepid bath of managed decline" is in direct contrast to his early weeks in charge where he was pretending to be their friend and saying he would treat the civil service with long overdue respect.

I don't trust the guy or his lackeys as far I could throw them - and this is coming from someone who wanted Labour to be better, and who thinks it's important they are, because the alternatives are far far worse.

 

[monmouth]

I don’t know what to make of Starmer. HR middle manager always comes to mind. I had high hopes, now they are just hopes. Disappointing, a gift for Farage.

 

[jack123]

This video should provide enough insight into how we’ve got to this position:

Completely fucked up but it’s not an isolated situation at all.

Enough already.

Indeed, people were fed up of the tories, they hoped for better with Labour, it hasn’t worked out.

I remember saying before the general election, that once labour inevitably get in, it will be out of the frying pan, and into the fire. And here we are, IMO it’s all by design. The way the dems are in the USA, and labour in the Uk, they are intentionally pushing the people towards a far right government, and I don’t mean the likes of Farage. More someone like Tommy Robinson. Within the next 2 general elections.

 

[rockinj]

Starmer isn't a "good man" at all.

He's a massive hypocrite and a liar who said all the right things to become leader, then u-turned like buggery on pretty much everything he'd said as soon as power was obtained.

Since becoming PM I would agree that he's had to put up with a lot of nonsense from a vehemently pro-Right national media and much of it has been confected bollocks, anything to have a pop at him.

But, at the same time, his decision making has often been questionable, and for my money he spends far too much time pandering to right wing crap, like letting Liz Kendall loose to attack people on benefits this week (utterly tiresome stuff) and his speech accusing civil servants of being "happy in a tepid bath of managed decline" is in direct contrast to his early weeks in charge where he was pretending to be their friend and saying he would treat the civil service with long overdue respect.

I don't trust the guy or his lackeys as far I could throw them - and this is coming from someone who wanted Labour to be better, and who thinks it's important they are, because the alternatives are far far worse.

What were you expecting? Genuinely. Finances are tight. We have no growth. We have no money. We’ve left Europe?

It’s going to take time.

I’m not naturally a Labour man by any stretch but I can contend they’re up against it. Like the tories were left a crap situation in 2010 so are Labour in 2024.

Why is it so controversial for a Labour minister to question why some people who should be working are not working? Have you seen the statistics on economic activity in young people? It’s shocking.

The Country is on the sick since Covid it has to be turned around. That isn’t right wing, it’s very much within the tradition of Labour.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

What were you expecting? Genuinely. Finances are tight. We have no growth. We have no money. We’ve left Europe?

It’s going to take time.

I’m not naturally a Labour man by any stretch but I can contend they’re up against it. Like the tories were left a crap situation in 2010 so are Labour in 2024.

Why is it so controversial for a Labour minister to question why some people who should be working are not working? Have you seen the statistics on economic activity in young people? It’s shocking.

The Country is on the sick since Covid it has to be turned around. That isn’t right wing, it’s very much within the tradition of Labour.

Less than 1% of benefit claims are fraudulent. It's a dead cat. By spending inordinate amounts of time focusing on it they are not focusing on the stuff that really matters. But then I suspect that's half the point.

Oh, and comparing Labour's inheritance in 2024 to what the Tories came into in 2010 is just plain silly on so many levels.

 

[Swanjaxs]

Trump is a mad old fuker, just like Biden.

Americans aye

 

[Skippyjack]

Trump is a mad old fuker, just like Biden.

Americans aye

 

[Swanjaxs]

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[rockinj]

Less than 1% of benefit claims are fraudulent. It's a dead cat. By spending inordinate amounts of time focusing on it they are not focusing on the stuff that really matters. But then I suspect that's half the point.

Oh, and comparing Labour's inheritance in 2024 to what the Tories came into in 2010 is just plain silly on so many levels.

I didn’t say the situations were the same, I agree the post credit crunch deficit situation was incredibly challenging and I do think people underestimate how hard that was.

But let’s not go over that. 2024 the big issue is that we’ve never truly recovered to trend growth ever since and this is a global issue. The States has been bucking the trend but you can’t just magic growth up. This Gov were not elected on radicalism they were elected to be managerial after the ineptitude of the post Brexit shambles. Professionalism is the order of the day.

I don’t agree with everything by any stretch. It was a very centre left budget that did attack business. I get the need to balance the books but I think they boxed themselves in because of fear of losing election. But right or wrong it felt grown up after a long period of rhetoric without action.

The 1% stat you give I can’t go back on because I’m not sure. But I do know that economic activity has increased significantly in recent years with the sick bill expected to rise to 100bn by end of Parliament. Much of this is mental health related and in young people. That is a big big problem for the Country. People who need help should get it but young people should be working unless there’s a very very strong reason for not doing so. Or…. we need even more migrants. And round and round we go.

I go back to it though what are people expecting? He’s a soft left technocratic man. Always has been.

 

[monmouth]

Indeed, people were fed up of the tories, they hoped for better with Labour, it hasn’t worked out.

I remember saying before the general election, that once labour inevitably get in, it will be out of the frying pan, and into the fire. And here we are, IMO it’s all by design. The way the dems are in the USA, and labour in the Uk, they are intentionally pushing the people towards a far right government, and I don’t mean the likes of Farage. More someone like Tommy Robinson. Within the next 2 general elections.

You can’t say whether it’s worked out or not. Far too early. As I said I have hopes, just not high hopes. Even allowing for bias (especially in the sites you seem to favour), there have been more missteps than are comfortable.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Any government taking power after 15 years in opposition is going to be inexperienced, naive and make mistakes. It’s the nature of the beast. Labour’s first six months have seen many missteps but let’s have a look in a few years not a few months eh. Part of the problem here is expecting immediate and visible change. That’s literally not how it works.

 

[jack123]

You can’t say whether it’s worked out or not. Far too early. As I said I have hopes, just not high hopes. Even allowing for bias (especially in the sites you seem to favour), there have been more missteps than are comfortable.

Well, I think I can say that!

Let's face it, the Conservatives, were an absolute shi*show, and then when you look at the current polls Labour and Starmer, are going to lose massively in the next election.

I think I am at the age now, that I'm not even going to get annoyed or worked up about it, because I think really we have no say.


And IMHO It's all by design.. Some puppeteer is all pushing the buttons to lead us to this.

We are heading for a Far right Government, mark my words.

 

[rockinj]

3.7m of working age on sickness and incapacity benefit. Up 1.2m on 5 yrs ago.

That is a massive issue. This isn’t a Daily Mail bit of propaganda.

The bill is 65m by end of Parliament it is on course to be 100bn.

So I’d say Kendall was not playing to gallery that is incredibly troubling for the Country.

 

[Neath_Jack]

I see our wonderful ‘patriots’ are now massive fans of appeasement. Their hero Churchill would be turning in his grave, whilst Chamberlin would be smirking in his.