Trump 2.0

[Longlostjack]

I think it’s very clear to see that the centre is being squeezed. We have a fairly centrist/centre left government here for the last few months and they’re getting pilloried by what I’ve called in my head the new right for being commies and from elements of the left for not being radical enough. And they’ve done very little that didn’t actually have to be done to keep the country afloat. If anything they’ve been way too timid but it’s a long game.

Trump is just the front man of the MAGA movement, a clueless imbecile to put in front of the cameras. The real movers and shakers are far more sinister. We live in dangerous times. The USA is now a rogue state.

Written by an old mate and published in 2018. Plug plug …..

 

[exiledclaseboy]

It would be funny, if it wasn't so absurd There are kids dying in Africa and other countries of starvation and neglect, yet here we are focusing on Trump.

My view, it's unbelievable. It's an absolute what the fuck actual moment, when Elon Musk shared the screenshots of where the money has been spent. I mean who would really do that in a sane world, give money to LGBT stuff, or feed and look after vulnerable children..

I know what I would do. But I guess I'm just a useless gullible person.

You are certainly ticking all the boxes.

 

[Pegojack]

It would be funny, if it wasn't so absurd There are kids dying in Africa and other countries of starvation and neglect, yet here we are focusing on Trump.

My view, it's unbelievable. It's an absolute what the fuck actual moment, when Elon Musk shared the screenshots of where the money has been spent. I mean who would really do that in a sane world, give money to LGBT stuff, or feed and look after vulnerable children..

I know what I would do. But I guess I'm just a useless gullible person.

How many of his billions has Musk given to the starving children of Africa?

 

[cmajack]

Trump is a mad old fuker, just like Biden.

Americans aye

My wife has a new found fondness and respect for Trump. She said " Any man that's just been shot , and then on his way to safety, wants to go back for his shoes " is great in her eyes. " It's what i would have done she told me".

 

[Wing_Stand_Wood]

The rise of Reform mentioned? Indeed so! The recent reporting and Twitter/X shows that Reforms U.K’s rise and empowerment is utterly staggering to behold?

209,000 membership and rising exponentially (overtaken the Tories 131,000 figure) with the setting up of a ‘political party fighting machine’, that will now be able to employ the very best strategists, managers and local organisers.

A professionalised Behemoth that’s now champing at the bit for MORE (and not less like others) elections!

And then there’s (handy for elections) its foot-soldier recruitment pool from both that aforementioned rising membership figure and burgeoning elected local councilor representation.

And with the expertise/philanthropy of of extremely rich billionaire/multi-millionaire backers like Zia Yusuf and Nick Candy to attract (contacts hey!) even more backers? Success breeds success!!!! Awash with money and now a major force to be reckoned with.

And the polling figures that are also rising exponentially! And Reform U.K's euphoric buzz with (That EU election result hey!) that vibe and Deja Vu to realise that something truly remarkable is happening here.

And Wales? Look’s very much like a lot of Welsh Nationalist Yes Cymru yokels and Labour types are going to be rather envious of the way that they are soon to look about as “much in fashion” in some places as flared trousers, kipper ties and six foot 78rpm record playing radrogrammes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1890319622726967509

 

[JackSomething]

I must say, it really does make my eyebrows roll, when people criticise Trump. We are not living in some perfect Utopia, where Trump has come along, and upsetsthe applecart.

IMO the World is in a mess, someone comes along with different ideas for peace, then so be it.

The way the World is now, not very good, so I can't understand the pushback against Trump, it's not like Biden did a fantastic job, I just think end the war in Ukraine at all costs, and then talk, it's just sacrificing peoples lives for frankly nothing!

You say end the war at all costs. Let's say in some weird alternate universe, Wales is Ukraine and England is Russia (I'm aware this is a ludicrous comparison, but it's a simple one). England has invaded Wales and now controls all of the south of Wales. So Swansea has been bombed into rubble, friends and family are dead, we've all had to enlist or flee, and our homes are either destroyed or in the hands of the invaders.

Now through all this, our allies have been providing us with help in the form of money and weapons, although they won't go further than that as they don't want to piss off the English invaders enough to escalate the conflict. Let's say in this weird alternate universe that Brazil is one of the most powerful countries in the world. They have a contentious history with England but have been allies of Wales for a long time. They elect a new leader and his first involvement in the conflict is to speak with the Prime Minister of England and say he wants to end the conflict, making it clear that in order to do so, we'll have to agree that England will now control all the territory they've taken so far. So the Brazilian leader has decided to follow the course of appeasement and will reassure us that of course the English will never look to take any more of our territory.

Meanwhile, we have lost everything and are (ironically) likely to have migrated to another country and are dependent on them to help us build some kind of new life in a strange new country.

In this scenario, would you still think that ending the war in Wales at all costs is a good idea?

TL;DR: If we were the Ukrainians, you'd almost certainly feel very different about Trump.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Look out. Racist witchfinder in da house.

 

[jack123]

You say end the war at all costs. Let's say in some weird alternate universe, Wales is Ukraine and England is Russia (I'm aware this is a ludicrous comparison, but it's a simple one). England has invaded Wales and now controls all of the south of Wales. So Swansea has been bombed into rubble, friends and family are dead, we've all had to enlist or flee, and our homes are either destroyed or in the hands of the invaders.

Now through all this, our allies have been providing us with help in the form of money and weapons, although they won't go further than that as they don't want to piss off the English invaders enough to escalate the conflict. Let's say in this weird alternate universe that Brazil is one of the most powerful countries in the world. They have a contentious history with England but have been allies of Wales for a long time. They elect a new leader and his first involvement in the conflict is to speak with the Prime Minister of England and say he wants to end the conflict, making it clear that in order to do so, we'll have to agree that England will now control all the territory they've taken so far. So the Brazilian leader has decided to follow the course of appeasement and will reassure us that of course the English will never look to take any more of our territory.

Meanwhile, we have lost everything and are (ironically) likely to have migrated to another country and are dependent on them to help us build some kind of new life in a strange new country.

In this scenario, would you still think that ending the war in Wales at all costs is a good idea?

TL;DR: If we were the Ukrainians, you'd almost certainly feel very different about Trump.

I suppose if you asked the Russians or Ukrainians maybe each would say that a war is justified, Imo war is never justified.

It’s been ongoing for a few years now, and what has it achieved? Apart from needless loss of many lives.

 

[monmouth]

I suppose if you asked the Russians or Ukrainians maybe each would say that a war is justified, Imo war is never justified.

It’s been ongoing for a few years now, and what has it achieved? Apart from needless loss of many lives.

The Ukrainians were invaded while minding their own business in their sovereign country. Do you even understand that? The Ukrainians aren't justifying anything. They simply want their country back from the invaders.

 

[FearOfAJackPlanet]

 

[jack123]

The Ukrainians were invaded while minding their own business in their sovereign country. Do you even understand that? The Ukrainians aren't justifying anything. They simply want their country back from the invaders.

I think you missed the point, I was trying to make. I’m not really in the mood today, to spell it out.

 

[Neath_Jack]

I suppose if you asked the Russians or Ukrainians maybe each would say that a war is justified, Imo war is never justified.

It’s been ongoing for a few years now, and what has it achieved? Apart from needless loss of many lives.

War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing…

 

[JackSomething]

I suppose if you asked the Russians or Ukrainians maybe each would say that a war is justified, Imo war is never justified.

It’s been ongoing for a few years now, and what has it achieved? Apart from needless loss of many lives.

So you're not going to consider the scenario I posited and answer the question then? I'm honestly trying to get you to think about the war from a different perspective and in so doing, see how the criticism of Trump over this is justified.

 

[jack123]

So you're not going to consider the scenario I posited and answer the question then? I'm honestly trying to get you to think about the war from a different perspective and in so doing, see how the criticism of Trump over this is justified.

But I have considered it, and that was my answer. Nearly 4 years now this current conflict has been ongoing, and it’s achieved nothing. And I’m not going to pretend that I understand the complexities of who is in the right or the wrong. I’d rather say stop the war. And that’s it really.

 

[JackSomething]

But I have considered it, and that was my answer. Nearly 4 years now this current conflict has been ongoing, and it’s achieved nothing. And I’m not going to pretend that I understand the complexities of who is in the right or the wrong. I’d rather say stop the war. And that’s it really.

So in my scenario of Wales being invaded rather than Ukraine, your priority would still be to stop the war above all else and you wouldn't mind South Wales being ceded to the invading force? If that's truly how you feel, then fair enough.