VAR transcript: Spurs v Liverpool

[Cooperman]

Have a read of this. What an absolute dogs dinner of a process with at least five people involved in the incorrect call. It reads like them all being on alternative wavelengths, line after line of irrelevant rambling.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66998252

 

[swansvalleyjack]

Here's the actual audio release.

This is unbelievable, what a mess up of communication. The Rugby lot have got it so right, keep it simple and clear eg " Try or No Try".

For VAR it should be as simple as "Onside, Goal" Then repeat and confirm by Ref and VAR.

Or alternatively " Offside, No Goal". Repeat.

Also seems the only person who knew what was happening in the VAR clip, was the Tech guy. And he's not a ref !!

What a shambles.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/3718057

 

[MrSwerve]

Here's the actual audio release.

This is unbelievable, what a mess up of communication. The Rugby lot have got it so right, keep it simple and clear eg " Try or No Try".

For VAR it should be as simple as "Onside, Goal" Then repeat and confirm by Ref and VAR.

Or alternatively " Offside, No Goal". Repeat.

Also seems the only person who knew what was happening in the VAR clip, was the Tech guy. And he's not a ref !!

What a shambles.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/3718057

Yeah, the phraseology being used is arse-backwards. All they need to say is ‘goal’ or ‘no goal’.

 

[Cooperman]

It doesn’t sound like a robust control system. There’s at least three groups of people:
1. On field
2 The VAR group
3. That Oli guy (whoever and wherever he is)

An interesting insight into this clusterf**k.
Is this the first such release of VAR audio?

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

It just needs to get in the bin.

If we must, then keep it for matter of fact stuff like ball going out of play or not, and mistaken identity.

Otherwise get it in the bin. We've got more than enough proof by now that it's just an additional layer of incompetence that adds **** all value.

 

[swansvalleyjack]

Nah, there are more accurate decisions coming out of VAR than not. Obviously the fewer wrong decisions get highlighted. The Liverpool one being, rightly, the worst one. Though ironically, if there was no VAR, the linesman there wrongly had his flag up and the goal still would not have stood.

For the factual ones like ball over the goal line, or out of play, excellent system. For offside, should be the same with clear lines (and technology is getting better) ...but the human communication process there ( as per Liverpool) needs to be drastically streamlined and improved. Not rocket science to get simple confirmation protocols in place, like Rugby and Cricket.

Of course it's the VAR subjective decisions which are the most problematic. Was it a foul or not ? Was he interfering with play ? Was it a red or yellow card? Was it handball ? ( though for god's sake tidy the law up).

Subjective decisions will always be argued over, whether VAR or not. By Clubs, by pundits, or in the pub. And by ex refs, where we've seen them disagree after a game.

VAR will not be binned. It's here to stay. But has to be an ongoing improvement process , and the Liverpool game is one where a lesson for clear simple communication can now be hardwired into the system.

 

[legoman]

Nah, there are more accurate decisions coming out of VAR than not. Obviously the fewer wrong decisions get highlighted. The Liverpool one being, rightly, the worst one. Though ironically, if there was no VAR, the linesman there wrongly had his flag up and the goal still would not have stood.

For the factual ones like ball over the goal line, or out of play, excellent system. For offside, should be the same with clear lines (and technology is getting better) ...but the human communication process there ( as per Liverpool) needs to be drastically streamlined and improved. Not rocket science to get simple confirmation protocols in place, like Rugby and Cricket.

Of course it's the VAR subjective decisions which are the most problematic. Was it a foul or not ? Was he interfering with play ? Was it a red or yellow card? Was it handball ? ( though for god's sake tidy the law up).

Subjective decisions will always be argued over, whether VAR or not. By Clubs, by pundits, or in the pub. And by ex refs, where we've seen them disagree after a game.

VAR will not be binned. It's here to stay. But has to be an ongoing improvement process , and the Liverpool game is one where a lesson for clear simple communication can now be hardwired into the system.

You make a very good point here regarding the lino. In the absence of VAR the goal would have been ruled out anyway and the row would have joined the list of similar human cock ups that have happened in the game over the years (Swans v Man City as a prime example!) so really Klopp can't expect a replay.

But, if this fiasco does lead to a tightening up of the VAR process then fine by me.

 

[Neath_Jack]

I dare say that there is a fair amount of 'in-house speak' in that exchange which makes it sound even more all over the shop for us mere fans. It is a shocker nevertheless, the worst bit for me is that it says in the 'rules' that once they realised their mistake they couldn't stop the game to correct it. That is a load of nonsense, they should have been allowed to stop the game.

 

[EagleEye]

Need to take a leaf out of rugby union - on field decision is xxxx, VAR goal or no goal, simple terminology, it’s really not that difficult to implement a foolproof protocol.

Klopp is calling for a replay. The lino gave offside. Without VAR the goal would not have stood anyway. Can’t even blame it on teething troubles, how long has VAR been up and running now ?

 

[CurtessECarr]

Graham Souness spouted a year or 2 ago.
Change offside rule to if any part of you is onside. Your onside. Makes sense.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Need to take a leaf out of rugby union - on field decision is xxxx, VAR goal or no goal, simple terminology, it’s really not that difficult to implement a foolproof protocol.

Klopp is calling for a replay. The lino gave offside. Without VAR the goal would not have stood anyway. Can’t even blame it on teething troubles, how long has VAR been up and running now ?

I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly regaring the rugby, right up until this world cup. The rugby lot are having a mare with it all now though. I still think they can learn from rugby, but rugby is having their own issues as well.

 

[JackSomething]

Graham Souness spouted a year or 2 ago.
Change offside rule to if any part of you is onside. Your onside. Makes sense.

It's rare that I agree with Souness, but I do here. Should also lead to a lot more goals being scored, which is rarely a bad thing from an entertainment point of view.

Edited to say: Many years ago, before they started messing with the offside law, wasn't the rule that there had to be clear daylight between the players for it to be offside?

Also Kloppity knows there's no chance of it being replayed, but will be thinking of getting more favourable decisions for his team going forward. He's no idiot.