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What type of manager do we want?

I couldn’t disagree more.

There’s nothing wrong with ambition, it’s a driving force. Someone who wants to progress will be dedicated to demonstrating results.

Cooper used his old under 17 players to enhance his reputation with ultimately no positive results for us. Didn't leave us in any better position than he found us.

Russ PR'ed and statballed his way through a terrible run of form to land a better job. Nothing to show for us. Didn't leave us in any better position than he found us.

Luke has just been useless, quite honestly.. but he's just as much of a statballer as Russ. But without the glossy exterior and charm. Won't leave in any better position than he found us.
 
Cooper used his old under 17 players to enhance his reputation with ultimately no positive results for us. Didn't leave us in any better position than he found us.

Russ PR'ed and statballed his way through a terrible run of form to land a better job. Nothing to show for us. Didn't leave us in any better position than he found us.

Luke has just been useless, quite honestly.. but he's just as much of a statballer as Russ. But without the glossy exterior and charm. Won't leave in any better position than he found us.
I'd have to disagree with Cooper. His style wasn't great but he got us into 2 play offs which is more than anyone else has come close to. I think that if he'd been given money (that is, if we had any) we might have gone up. However, since relegation every manager has struggled to get funds which is an issue within the club.
 
I'd have to disagree with Cooper. His style wasn't great but he got us into 2 play offs which is more than anyone else has come close to. I think that if he'd been given money (that is, if we had any) we might have gone up. However, since relegation every manager has struggled to get funds which is an issue within the club.
He's a good manager and did a good job here.

But we had nothing to show for his time here in the end really did we?
 
We have the winning team in situ - on and off the pitch.

Simply get rid of Williams, officially appoint the existing winning management team quorum, revert to the proven (QPR) winning blueprint, and play that entertaining, effective, efficient footy which galvanized the troops, got bums off seats and had the .Com rocking.

Our proven winning blueprint is a thing of beauty (again):
- tight neat progressive triangles up and down the pitch,
- sharp wall passes,
- clever first touch 'round the corner passes,
- expansive wide play,
- hunting in eager packs
- aggressive press (up top and at the back)
- clever combo of long and short play
- etc etc

The quorum management team delivered - WITHOUT Williams. Marge (who fixed the defense that Martin broke); Sheez (who galvanized the troops and created stability and belief); Joey and Matty as the corporate glue to our unique playing heritage and identity (see above proven Blueprint)

It really is that simple.

We have all the resources to kick on - players, finances, loyal fans, ambitious wealthy owners implementing leading edge end-end processes, etc etc - just get rid of the bad apple that is Williams, 'prompto'.

Some of us will keep saying the same thing until the challenged of thinking latch on........
 
He's a good manager and did a good job here.

But we had nothing to show for his time here in the end really did we?
Apart from 2 near promotions that could have been with investment. Did all he could with what he had at his disposal. I fail to see what else he could have achieved. As opposed to since where we've just seen mediocrity and the such.
I get what you're trying to say but I find it hard to answer due to my thoughts on his tenure.
 
Where we are at present, we could probably do with an older manager who isn't particularly looking to immediately take the next step.

The problem with these young ambitious managers is that they're mainly only concerned with enhancing their own reputation and so only want to play the way that is in fashion and have no interest in developing youth players. Why have a relatively tough season with a load of kids, perhaps playing how you have to not how you want to but that'll ultimately benefit the club when you can play loanees from the PL or more experienced crap players and finish a few places higher? Particularly if you can do it with loads of possession and lots of passes.

A steady hand who'll give youngsters a chance, play a bit more pragmatically when needed, won't have an eye on impressing sides above us, may be great for a couple of years whilst we rebuild a bit.
Brighton and Bournemouth managers are young and ambitious, doesn't seem much wrong with them, and i would be ecstatic if you could get someone in that mould. Young , ambitious, hungry and that knows the foreign market, and also prepared to give some of our youngsters a chance in their specialist positions.
 
Brighton and Bournemouth managers are young and ambitious, doesn't seem much wrong with them, and i would be ecstatic if you could get someone in that mould. Young , ambitious, hungry and that knows the foreign market, and also prepared to give some of our youngsters a chance in their specialist positions.
I've seen a few people say this (and it's not a dig at you or anyone else), coupled with Williams saying he's going to Holland to watch a player. Does the club not employ scouts anymore? Should managers be expected to "know the foreign market" or should the club have scouts who are sent to find a particular type of player, then present a few different options for the manager/DOF to pick from?
Sorry to derail the thread...
 
"Generals always prepare to fight the last war, especially if they won it". (Georges Clemenceau)

If we want to enjoy similar success to what we saw under Martinez, Rodgers and Laudrup, there's no point trying to recreate the exact same circumstances, we need to understand the core principles that were at work.

I agree with @rockinj - playing football on the grass is a necessary condition for our success because it's what our supporters identify with, it creates a 'buzz' and keeps them off the manager's back. It's not a sufficient condition for success and it doesn't really matter if we play it fast or slow, have 80% possession or 45%. As long as we do it with style and don't hoof the ball, people will declare it is a return to 'The Swansea Way' (whatever that means).

I wish I could tell you what the core principles are, because then I could earn a fortune advising football clubs. My guess would be a harmonious dressing room with leaders the players look up to, stability at board/senior management level, the right blend of developing our own youth talent and hiring in ugly ducklings, enough of whom turn into Swans to keep us afloat, and a manager who is a left-field choice. That, more than anything, is what we've been trying to do since Laudrup was sacked, and arguably we've only managed it once since then (Potter), and even he wasn't that left-field.

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." (Heraclitus)
 
I’d be tempted to give it to Tate until end of season if Williams were to go.

Fans favourite, steeped in our philosophy.

Emphasis on until the end of the season.
 
I’d be tempted to give it to Tate until end of season if Williams were to go.

Fans favourite, steeped in our philosophy.

Emphasis on until the end of the season.
Just as well you're not a decision maker.
 
I'd love a manger that implements a fine system for all players who play the ball backwards when they have teammates in front of them on the pitch.
 
A results man to get us in with a shout of reaching the promised land! Then reasses from there it ain't done Nottingham forest any harm!
 

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