Wilder tips Cooper for Sheff Utd

[Baron Goblet]

How fickle our fans are.
a few weeks ago we were challenging for top spot.
Have faith - a refreshed Swans with Whittaker and Ayew up front will see us up automatically and Cooper will be everyone's hero again.
COYS !!

He won't change our style will he, he's said it many times... We'll stick to our plan we believe in. That plan is boring hoofball. We won't go up as we ain't good enough it's that simple. Nothing to do with fickle just some fans being totally honest about what they see.

I so not see what you are seeing. Our centre backs keep it on the deck most of the time. Our wing backs try and get crosses in but also play one twos and move the ball on the deck.Our midfield work hard and move it between the lines generally on the deck.

I get that you may find the sport or style boring however that may be due to lack of atmosphere. The level of skill is high and the games are competitive. There have been years of complaints since Jackett however I cannotv see how this season has not been succesful.

We have lost out on 3 strikers, one from Southampton, two from DC but it looks to me like Whitaker is a real find and most of his chances are again on the deck.

We dont really have the like of Moore up front who is very effective at hoof ball. We do have a team that keeps possession and plays it out from the back.

 

[Swansea93]

He won't change our style will he, he's said it many times... We'll stick to our plan we believe in. That plan is boring hoofball. We won't go up as we ain't good enough it's that simple. Nothing to do with fickle just some fans being totally honest about what they see.

I so not see what you are seeing. Our centre backs keep it on the deck most of the time. Our wing backs try and get crosses in but also play one twos and move the ball on the deck.Our midfield work hard and move it between the lines generally on the deck.

I get that you may find the sport or style boring however that may be due to lack of atmosphere. The level of skill is high and the games are competitive. There have been years of complaints since Jackett however I cannotv see how this season has not been succesful.

We have lost out on 3 strikers, one from Southampton, two from DC but it looks to me like Whitaker is a real find and most of his chances are again on the deck.

We dont really have the like of Moore up front who is very effective at hoof ball. We do have a team that keeps possession and plays it out from the back.

I disagree all I have seen recently is long ball after long ball in our matches with the rare occasion we keep it down and attack, in our last 5 games for example we have attempted 373 long balls, and against Cardiff who are known to that style of football we attempted just 5 less than them in the match, it’s clear as day we don’t pass and move the ball around as much and 99% of the time the ball is being hoofed up the pitch.

Freddie never plays it out from the back he punts the ball when it’s passed back to him and out for an opposition throw in.

 

[Captain_Sham]

I so not see what you are seeing. Our centre backs keep it on the deck most of the time. Our wing backs try and get crosses in but also play one twos and move the ball on the deck.Our midfield work hard and move it between the lines generally on the deck.

I get that you may find the sport or style boring however that may be due to lack of atmosphere. The level of skill is high and the games are competitive. There have been years of complaints since Jackett however I cannotv see how this season has not been succesful.

We have lost out on 3 strikers, one from Southampton, two from DC but it looks to me like Whitaker is a real find and most of his chances are again on the deck.

We dont really have the like of Moore up front who is very effective at hoof ball. We do have a team that keeps possession and plays it out from the back.

I disagree all I have seen recently is long ball after long ball in our matches with the rare occasion we keep it down and attack, in our last 5 games for example we have attempted 373 long balls, and against Cardiff who are known to that style of football we attempted just 5 less than them in the match, it’s clear as day we don’t pass and move the ball around as much and 99% of the time the ball is being hoofed up the pitch.

Freddie never plays it out from the back he punts the ball when it’s passed back to him and out for an opposition throw in.

We indeed did pass long the same amount as Cardiif. You forgot to mention that we completed 400 more passes than Cardiif you fking beaut. https://www.footballcritic.com/championship-swansea-city-afc-cardiff-city-fc/match-stats/2149662

70% of Cardiffs passes were long. 14% of ours were.

 

[Swanjaxs]

Neil Lennon wants to get back into management at the first opportunity according to The Daily Record...

Could be perfect timing

 

[Swansea93]

I disagree all I have seen recently is long ball after long ball in our matches with the rare occasion we keep it down and attack, in our last 5 games for example we have attempted 373 long balls, and against Cardiff who are known to that style of football we attempted just 5 less than them in the match, it’s clear as day we don’t pass and move the ball around as much and 99% of the time the ball is being hoofed up the pitch.

Freddie never plays it out from the back he punts the ball when it’s passed back to him and out for an opposition throw in.

We indeed did pass long the same amount as Cardiif. You forgot to mention that we completed 400 more passes than Cardiif you fking beaut. https://www.footballcritic.com/championship-swansea-city-afc-cardiff-city-fc/match-stats/2149662

70% of Cardiffs passes were long. 14% of ours were.

One game doesn’t make up for how we’ve been lumping the ball up the pitch the past few weeks you fking beaut.

 

[Baron Goblet]

14 per cent long ball, some of them are close to the deck if not on it.

Recall Fredd playing it out to Moore and Ryan clearing it off the goal line. Bristol did the same. Fred has a slight weakness here. So do Ryan and Ben imo. We dont always have a ball player to dictate a change of pace from the back. Grimes was excellent v Man City. Guehi and Naughton are possibles if we want to keep more on the floor and change the pace or direction of play.

If you look at Cardiff, Marshall does both well, he can play on the deck and is good in the air. Cardidf are better at long high ball for pretty obvious reasons to me.

I get that a group here think we are boring. Relatively we play through the lines and have a strike force that can beat a man on the deck. I reject the notion of boring hoofball as it does not add to the argument in my view.

 

[Captain_Sham]

We indeed did pass long the same amount as Cardiif. You forgot to mention that we completed 400 more passes than Cardiif you fking beaut. https://www.footballcritic.com/championship-swansea-city-afc-cardiff-city-fc/match-stats/2149662

70% of Cardiffs passes were long. 14% of ours were.

One game doesn’t make up for how we’ve been lumping the ball up the pitch the past few weeks you fking beaut.

But we havent been. The figures YOU quoted average out at 75 long passes a game. Thats the same as against Cardiff. :lol:

 

[Pacemaker]

14 per cent long ball, some of them are close to the deck if not on it.

Recall Fredd playing it out to Moore and Ryan clearing it off the goal line. Bristol did the same. Fred has a slight weakness here. So do Ryan and Ben imo. We dont always have a ball player to dictate a change of pace from the back. Grimes was excellent v Man City. Guehi and Naughton are possibles if we want to keep more on the floor and change the pace or direction of play.

If you look at Cardiff, Marshall does both well, he can play on the deck and is good in the air. Cardidf are better at long high ball for pretty obvious reasons to me.

I get that a group here think we are boring. Relatively we play through the lines and have a strike force that can beat a man on the deck. I reject the notion of boring hoofball as it does not add to the argument in my view.

Good to see some common sense on here at last.

 

[Badlands]

14 per cent long ball, some of them are close to the deck if not on it.

Recall Fredd playing it out to Moore and Ryan clearing it off the goal line. Bristol did the same. Fred has a slight weakness here. So do Ryan and Ben imo. We dont always have a ball player to dictate a change of pace from the back. Grimes was excellent v Man City. Guehi and Naughton are possibles if we want to keep more on the floor and change the pace or direction of play.

If you look at Cardiff, Marshall does both well, he can play on the deck and is good in the air. Cardidf are better at long high ball for pretty obvious reasons to me.

I get that a group here think we are boring. Relatively we play through the lines and have a strike force that can beat a man on the deck. I reject the notion of boring hoofball as it does not add to the argument in my view.

When Woodman arrived the stand outs for me were his anticipation and delivery ... both seem to be coached out of him.
The CBs definitely suffer from having our midfield static, often 30 metres or more away (compressing the playing area and filling it with high numbers of players) and often standing the far side of an opposition player.
CBs are left with no option but to pass back 5o keeper, between themselves or hit hopeful balls forward.
The problem lies with our midfield.

 

[Swanjaxs]

14 per cent long ball, some of them are close to the deck if not on it.

Recall Fredd playing it out to Moore and Ryan clearing it off the goal line. Bristol did the same. Fred has a slight weakness here. So do Ryan and Ben imo. We dont always have a ball player to dictate a change of pace from the back. Grimes was excellent v Man City. Guehi and Naughton are possibles if we want to keep more on the floor and change the pace or direction of play.

If you look at Cardiff, Marshall does both well, he can play on the deck and is good in the air. Cardidf are better at long high ball for pretty obvious reasons to me.

I get that a group here think we are boring. Relatively we play through the lines and have a strike force that can beat a man on the deck. I reject the notion of boring hoofball as it does not add to the argument in my view.

When Woodman arrived the stand outs for me were his anticipation and delivery ... both seem to be coached out of him.
The CBs definitely suffer from having our midfield static, often 30 metres or more away (compressing the playing area and filling it with high numbers of players) and often standing the far side of an opposition player.
CBs are left with no option but to pass back 5o keeper, between themselves or hit hopeful balls forward.
The problem lies with our midfield.

Absolutely, Grimes shit out when Flint came steaming in for the goal, after closing his eyes and flicking on the long throw into the danger area, like the big girls blouse that he is, and instead of putting his bolloxs on the line and at least trying to block Flint's free header on goal he just stood back and watched.
Fraud

 

[Baron Goblet]

It was Andre that let Aden go free, I did not see the Matt girls blouse moment. It was early anticipation and a solid connection by Aden. Poor defending and a good finish.

We have some work to do but when Matt came back to pick up the ball from defence I thought we moved better. Don't always have this luxury as teams normally play a high line. Cardiff were sitting back in ranks, which allowed Matt the space.

Possibly a little off topic now. Anyway, I don't see Steve leaving he may wait to see what happens here. I suspect Steve won't change the style at this stage, which I accept may not be to everyone's taste.

ps Morrison not Marshall (earlier)

 

[Itchysphincter]

Yes, a few weeks ago we were challenging for top spot AND worth watching. Now we are neither.

Agreed. Up to and including the Norwich game, the football was pragmatic and hardly thrilling, but decent enough most of the time. We had games like the Norwich game and Forest in the Cup which showed what we were capable of and of course the odd stinker too.

Since then, results have tailed off while performances have been mostly awful. Cue the revisionists who will claim the football under Cooper has always been this bad, despite that clearly not being the case.

I struggle to be more than ambivalent towards him. If he's here next season, fine. If he's appointed by someone else, that's fine too.

Not sure what you’ve been watching but besides the odd 45 minute exception it’s always been pretty bad.

 

[Dr. Winston]

Not sure what you’ve been watching but besides the odd 45 minute exception it’s always been pretty bad.

The entertainment value has rarely been great under Cooper. There's a tendency to forget just how poor we were at home from September last season until the Covid break. Even after the break peformances were largely similar to the ones we've seen this year, ie nick a goal and hold on. There were plenty of grumps last year about us sitting back after going one up, or Cooper's reluctance to go for the jugular.

People can argue about whether results justify the means, but it's hard to believe that anyone out there doubts that the way the team generally plays now after nearly two years at the helm is exactly how Cooper wants it. (Usually) defensively resilient, coached to retain shape above most else and fairly lacking in the thrills department. Grinding out results.

 

[thefranchise]

Not sure what you’ve been watching but besides the odd 45 minute exception it’s always been pretty bad.

The entertainment value has rarely been great under Cooper. There's a tendency to forget just how poor we were at home from September last season until the Covid break. Even after the break peformances were largely similar to the ones we've seen this year, ie nick a goal and hold on. There were plenty of grumps last year about us sitting back after going one up, or Cooper's reluctance to go for the jugular.

People can argue about whether results justify the means, but it's hard to believe that anyone out there doubts that the way the team generally plays now after nearly two years at the helm is exactly how Cooper wants it. (Usually) defensively resilient, coached to retain shape above most else and fairly lacking in the thrills department. Grinding out results.

That's as painful to read as the football has been to watch.

 

[Captain_Sham]

No, the table watchers were happy the football watchers have always been unconvinced.

Aye, but even the majority of the football watchers gave him a fair chance and were prepared to put up with the football when we were winning.

Then there were the thankfully very small number who never gave Cooper a chance and slated him practically from day 1. Just because those people may finally have a point after 2 years of whinging doesn't mean they were right all along.

I just saw this post. Bravo.