Summer Transfer Window

[bakajack]

What is Jay, is he holding midfielder, a box to box player or a creative attacking midfielder!?
I can't really give the answer myself.

What is he now or what did he used to be?

Now I equally couldn't tell you
Previously he used to be a number 8

 

[Woody Woodpecker Song]

The wage he is on, he should be one of the first names in that starting team.

If it were championship manager then you could get away with keeping him. Unfortunately in the real world, Jay isn't really contributing to a level his experience suggests and the wages he is being paid.

Yes his wage is crazy but that's not his fault.
Blame whoever gave it to him.

When he came on under Sheehan he did well fans will always have it in for a player and now it's Fulton.
Be someone else next season.

 

[Neath_Jack]

The wage he is on, he should be one of the first names in that starting team.

If it were championship manager then you could get away with keeping him. Unfortunately in the real world, Jay isn't really contributing to a level his experience suggests and the wages he is being paid.

And as I said, you have zero idea what he is on compared to bringing someone new in.

 

[bakajack]

Yes his wage is crazy but that's not his fault.
Blame whoever gave it to him.

When he came on under Sheehan he did well fans will always have it in for a player and now it's Fulton.
Be someone else next season.

I don't buy that, normally when a club has a player who is the target of a player's ire usually there is some reason for that. Its up to the player to grow from it and rise above it, I could point to Ben Cabango as a prime example of that.

In Williams' first season and even in the second until we sold Grimes you never knew if you were getting Cabango the Welsh international or Cabango the fourth of the three stooges.

But shortly after Williams was sacked and Grimes was sold, Cabango became captain and there was a noticeable growth in how he played, the maturity and leadership he showed on the pitch and his performances as a whole were vastly different to even just a few weeks ago. His partnership with Darling since Sheehan had taken over was the 3rd meanest defence in the Championship during that period behind only Burnley and another side who I forget.

Part of that could be explained by him being asked to play a game that suited him, but he will also be the first to admit that he had plenty of critics during the past couple of years (and he would likely include himself in those critics). The vast majority of those criticisms had been justified, but he learned from that and grew while others are suggesting that Fulton should get a free ride for being even more ineffectual

 

[cmajack]

What is Jay, is he holding midfielder, a box to box player or a creative attacking midfielder!?
I can't really give the answer myself.

He's none of those, he's just a player stealing a living from us. As another poster said, compare him to Franco. Every time he came on to replace Allen the tempo would drop and our performance would suffer with him coming on. Compare him to Flynn Downes, Joe Allen or Franco, he's a pale shadow of any of those players , and isn't hasn't been worth his place in the squad for 2 seasons plus.

 

[Ringwood]

Even as a squad player we have to have ambitions of being better than Fulton. Whether we get there in this window is doubtful and whether anyone else would want him is equally doubtful

Sanity post.

 

[Dr. Winston]

I get the club wanting to move Fulton on because he's on a significant wage, one that we could redeploy in other areas, but let's not pretend that we're doing it because he's not good enough as Sheehan clearly thought he was last season, and we played quickly enough with him being a regular feature in the side. People think that we need another physical, strong presence in midfield and overlook the one we already have out of sheer habit.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

He did well under Sheehan coming off the bench and closing games down.
It's not his fault we pay him to.much
Expect a bit better from you than to just jump on pick on Fulton bandwagon.

I’m not jumping on any bandwagon. And I’m not picking on him.

As it happens I think he was blamed for a lot when it was more to do with Grimes. Which is why we improved hugely when Grimes left and O’Brien came in.

And I agree that it is absolutely not his fault we pay him too much. But for the amount we pay him he is not good enough. And using the initial transfer fee to measure his worth is invalid. We need to look at the cost of him now,

It’s probably moot anyway given no one else will pay him anywhere near what he is on with us so unless we decide to save at least a bit of what he costs by moving him on via a loan and subsidising his salary for a year he will be with us again this season.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

I get the club wanting to move Fulton on because he's on a significant wage, one that we could redeploy in other areas, but let's not pretend that we're doing it because he's not good enough as Sheehan clearly thought he was last season, and we played quickly enough with him being a regular feature in the side. People think that we need another physical, strong presence in midfield and overlook the one we already have out of sheer habit.

What was good enough last season resulted in a long period where we were worried about relegation and a mid table finish never remotely threatening the play off places.
If our ambitions have moved on it doesn’t follow that players deemed good enough for that are good enough any longer. That’s the whole point of progress.

And he isn’t anything like a physical strong presence in midfield.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

How much wages is he on (don’t answer because you don’t know) compared to a transfer fee / signing on fee / wages, of some superstar who is going to replace him.

It’s not championship manager mun.

He is on too high a wage for a back up cover role.

And someone brought in will have potential value going forward. He doesn’t.

 

[Menston4128]

Interesting how many see Fulton.

What I see is a decent pro with limitations but if used correctly then a good squad player.

I think his partnership with Grimes was awful and he hasn't been utilsed well since Cooper left, although Sheehan may well get more from him as I think he seems like a more pragmatic manager than Martin or Williams.

Whilst he's not going to be a star player, he is solid and you need solid players in the squad.

I also think that he seems like he would be a good presence around the dressing room and that may be helpful in a squad that lacks a lot of leaders.

 

[Dr. Winston]

What was good enough last season resulted in a long period where we were worried about relegation and a mid table finish never remotely threatening the play off places.
If our ambitions have moved on it doesn’t follow that players deemed good enough for that are good enough any longer. That’s the whole point of progress.

Yes, because Luke Williams was a halfwit who didn't know a winger from a midfielder. Let's not pretend that the squad was the reason for our struggles that we had last season as Sheehan amply demonstrated otherwise. Indeed, could have "threatened the play off places" had he got the job a month or so sooner.

And he isn’t anything like a physical strong presence in midfield.

Don't be silly. The howls of protest that accompanied his selection for the Derby game alone were silenced by his ability to mix it with their aerial bombardment. Likewise at Sunderland.

 

[Ringwood]

Some of our fans get emotionally blindsided when offering opinions on players. Also when players turn us down or yearn for example for players to come " home "....

Reality is like any corporate job. You serve a purpose then get replaced when your contribution to success starts to fade away

 

[Neath_Jack]

Interesting how many see Fulton.

What I see is a decent pro with limitations but if used correctly then a good squad player.

I think his partnership with Grimes was awful and he hasn't been utilsed well since Cooper left, although Sheehan may well get more from him as I think he seems like a more pragmatic manager than Martin or Williams.

Whilst he's not going to be a star player, he is solid and you need solid players in the squad.

I also think that he seems like he would be a good presence around the dressing room and that may be helpful in a squad that lacks a lot of leaders.

What’s more interesting is everyone thinks they know what wage he’s on. Some contacts on this forum aye

 

[bakajack]

Interesting how many see Fulton.

What I see is a decent pro with limitations but if used correctly then a good squad player.

I think his partnership with Grimes was awful and he hasn't been utilsed well since Cooper left, although Sheehan may well get more from him as I think he seems like a more pragmatic manager than Martin or Williams.

Whilst he's not going to be a star player, he is solid and you need solid players in the squad.

I also think that he seems like he would be a good presence around the dressing room and that may be helpful in a squad that lacks a lot of leaders.

The biggest problem with this statement is that he is not paid the wage of a squad player.

We are paying close to the upper ceiling of our wage structure for a decent pro with limitations that can be a good squad player if used correctly.

That kind of wage is what should be used for a star player, someone you can build the team around, someone who will get bums off seats and someone who will drag us through games where we aren't at our best so that we are picking up points anyway.