Cardiff Council SUV surcharge

[Jack2jack]

There’s a big financial hole where fuel duty used to be. Cough up you EV hipsters

Reeves plots extra tax on EVs hitting 1.3m eco drivers with surcharge in Budget

RACHEL Reeves is looking at Electric Vehicle drivers paying their fair share of tax in a Budget revenue-raiser. Treasury officials have drawn up several proposals such as levies on the weight of th…

www.thesun.co.uk

Well yes I made the point below, you posted as I was typing.

 

[Neath_Jack]

There’s a big financial hole where fuel duty used to be. Cough up you EV hipsters

Reeves plots extra tax on EVs hitting 1.3m eco drivers with surcharge in Budget

RACHEL Reeves is looking at Electric Vehicle drivers paying their fair share of tax in a Budget revenue-raiser. Treasury officials have drawn up several proposals such as levies on the weight of th…

www.thesun.co.uk

Was always going to happen. There was no way the government would be willing to lose that much revenue irrespective of what colour party is in the hot seat.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Was always going to happen. There was no way the government would be willing to lose that much revenue irrespective of what colour party is in the hot seat.

Indeed. And the misguided but politically expedient decision to freeze fuel duty rate for the last 15 years hasn’t helped.

 

[Ronald Parp]

Public transport is and always has been the answer but even if the infrastructure and services were there there is no way that SUV and EV drivers are sharing space with the great unwashed. Civilisation will eat itself.

 

[Jack2jack]

Public transport is and always has been the answer but even if the infrastructure and services were there there is no way that SUV and EV drivers are sharing space with the great unwashed. Civilisation will eat itself.

Ah! If only, we are decades behind other European nations, years of neglect, mismanagement and wasted opportunities. Can you imagine if the Swansea to Mumbles tram were still in operation, 50% of cars would disappear on that commuter route each day, bloody disaster right there. It was looked at years ago, to bring something else back to replace it, the cost was prohibitive.

 

[Ronald Parp]

Ah! If only, we are decades behind other European nations, years of neglect, mismanagement and wasted opportunities. Can you imagine if the Swansea to Mumbles tram were still in operation, 50% of cars would disappear on that commuter route each day, bloody disaster right there. It was looked at years ago, to bring something else back to replace it, the cost was prohibitive.

We’re decades behind the Victorians, light years away from our European neighbours.

 

[Pacemaker]

Hydrogen is not the answer for the majority of vehicles but may be the answer for extremely large/heavy vehicles, it is also very expensive to create and uses large amounts of energy, there is a large Hydrogen research plant on Baglan Energy Park who together with Swansea University have done tons of research on Hydrogen.

HGV were the initial target as H2 Vehicles but most new development in that field especially by the Germans and Chinese is for BEV HGV not Hydrogen, Toyota made a big push for H2 and failed miserably. Why have all the complexity of internal combustion engine when an electrical motor with far less parts and complexity can do the same thing?

There is a green Hydrogen plant currently being built nearby and most of this will be dependant on the Celtic Sea offshore wind farm currently in the planning stage. Green Hydrogen could benefit the Tata steelworks in some of processes with the new Electric Arc Furnace under construction.

Nickel Cobalt (NMC) etc are not used in modern EV batteries most are using LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) batteries and currently under development due to the current demand for BEV is Sodium Ion solid state batteries which will be just as energy dense but smaller and lighter.

As for charging for those without a drive then the current situation i have used in a number of places around the UK and Europe is public charger overnight through a street lamp charger. These are proving reliable and easy to find, i have no doubt that this will move into pavement charging points as used in Germany in the near future if required. Public transport in our area is very poor in the most part and doesn’t run at hours that suit those working or returning from nights out.

No doubt at some stage we will all have access to to some sort of autonomous vehicle that you can book like an Uber and transport wherever and whenever we want like Waymo in the US.

These might seem years away but the very old school Nissan Leaf was introduced about 15 years ago with a range of 80 -120 miles and due to development now seem light years behind.

 

[Jack2jack]

Hydrogen is not the answer for the majority of vehicles but may be the answer for extremely large/heavy vehicles, it is also very expensive to create and uses large amounts of energy, there is a large Hydrogen research plant on Baglan Energy Park who together with Swansea University have done tons of research on Hydrogen.

HGV were the initial target as H2 Vehicles but most new development in that field especially by the Germans and Chinese is for BEV HGV not Hydrogen, Toyota made a big push for H2 and failed miserably. Why have all the complexity of internal combustion engine when an electrical motor with far less parts and complexity can do the same thing?

There is a green Hydrogen plant currently being built nearby and most of this will be dependant on the Celtic Sea offshore wind farm currently in the planning stage. Green Hydrogen could benefit the Tata steelworks in some of processes with the new Electric Arc Furnace under construction.

Nickel Cobalt (NMC) etc are not used in modern EV batteries most are using LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) batteries and currently under development due to the current demand for BEV is Sodium Ion solid state batteries which will be just as energy dense but smaller and lighter.

As for charging for those without a drive then the current situation i have used in a number of places around the UK and Europe is public charger overnight through a street lamp charger. These are proving reliable and easy to find, i have no doubt that this will move into pavement charging points as used in Germany in the near future if required. Public transport in our area is very poor in the most part and doesn’t run at hours that suit those working or returning from nights out.

No doubt at some stage we will all have access to to some sort of autonomous vehicle that you can book like an Uber and transport wherever and whenever we want like Waymo in the US.

These might seem years away but the very old school Nissan Leaf was introduced about 15 years ago with a range of 80 -120 miles and due to development now seem light years behind.

I suppose it's all about R&D, if they've crunched the numbers and found hydrogen not a viable option, fair dos, if Toyota cant do it no one can. I'm just not convinced as I said about EVs. If I really had to make a choice I'd probably go hybrid atm, but from what I gather these will be phased out by 2035ish.
There is no getting away from the fact that natural resources are being used and huge undertakings are being made to extract these from the ground.
The governments forecast to get everyone into EVs by 2030 is optimistic to say the least, could be wrong.
Anyhow, it's sort of out of our hands to an extent.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Hydrogen is not the answer for the majority of vehicles but may be the answer for extremely large/heavy vehicles, it is also very expensive to create and uses large amounts of energy, there is a large Hydrogen research plant on Baglan Energy Park who together with Swansea University have done tons of research on Hydrogen.

HGV were the initial target as H2 Vehicles but most new development in that field especially by the Germans and Chinese is for BEV HGV not Hydrogen, Toyota made a big push for H2 and failed miserably. Why have all the complexity of internal combustion engine when an electrical motor with far less parts and complexity can do the same thing?

There is a green Hydrogen plant currently being built nearby and most of this will be dependant on the Celtic Sea offshore wind farm currently in the planning stage. Green Hydrogen could benefit the Tata steelworks in some of processes with the new Electric Arc Furnace under construction.

Nickel Cobalt (NMC) etc are not used in modern EV batteries most are using LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) batteries and currently under development due to the current demand for BEV is Sodium Ion solid state batteries which will be just as energy dense but smaller and lighter.

As for charging for those without a drive then the current situation i have used in a number of places around the UK and Europe is public charger overnight through a street lamp charger. These are proving reliable and easy to find, i have no doubt that this will move into pavement charging points as used in Germany in the near future if required. Public transport in our area is very poor in the most part and doesn’t run at hours that suit those working or returning from nights out.

No doubt at some stage we will all have access to to some sort of autonomous vehicle that you can book like an Uber and transport wherever and whenever we want like Waymo in the US.

These might seem years away but the very old school Nissan Leaf was introduced about 15 years ago with a range of 80 -120 miles and due to development now seem light years behind.

They’ve got these at the side of the road in Porthcawl, just along from the fairground there.

 

[Jack2jack]

They’ve got these at the side of the road in Porthcawl, just along from the fairground there. View attachment 6877

Really, they haven't thought that through have they.

 

[jack123]

Do you know what makes me laugh, if Reform get in, they will just rip all this up. Boils my pee, that so much money can be wasted. And we go through a cycle again, if reform get in, they will rip everything up. Then in a few years time people will have a gutsfull, and vote another party in. Such a waste of public money.

 

[Pacemaker]

They’ve got these at the side of the road in Porthcawl, just along from the fairground there. View attachment 6877

Bridgend council have them all over the county and there are about 8-10 chargers along the front between the Seabank Hotel and West Drive towards Rest Bay. They are very useful if you want to leave the car there charging slowly for a few hours whilst doing something else.

 

[Professor]

Do you know what makes me laugh, if Reform get in, they will just rip all this up. Boils my pee, that so much money can be wasted. And we go through a cycle again, if reform get in, they will rip everything up. Then in a few years time people will have a gutsfull, and vote another party in. Such a waste of public money.

Ever seen 'The Hunger Games'? If you want dystopia then vote Reform.

 

[Professor]

I've always held the view that we should be going down the hydrogen route, and I'm yet to be convinced otherwise. There is approx 40-50 years of oil left at current usage rates, not a great deal I'll admit.I'm also of the opinion, that an alternative fuel source will be identified sooner rather than later.
Nickel,cobalt etc are all being mined at a rate of knots, which is causing untold environmental damage.
I'm not surprised that folk who have gone down the EV route are pissed off as they will not doubt be targeted by governments for extra revenue,how else are they going to recoup the loss of revenue by getting rid if ICE car tax.
Anyhow, if an EV suits your lifestyle and you can afford one then crack on, but dont be surprised if the government come after you for a bit more. Just the way I see things.

Lots of challenges with safe hydrogen for road vehicles. Worked pretty well for Saturn V rockets and easily generated, but logistical challenges abound. Probably the easiest solution would be small local plants that are a direct source of fuel. Could see this for HGVs, but convenience of home charging for EV (provided you have a drive) is clear.

 

[Professor]

Batteries will probably weigh a lot more than a tank of fuel for sure, large SUV due to their weight will have a much larger battery than a normal EV because of their general size and lack of aerodynamic shape.

The reality is that SUV’s are a status symbol, who needs 4WD and seven seats regularly?

Peoples perception that they need 4-500 mile range means that manufacturers build bigger cars with bigger batteries for journeys of usually under 250 miles a week for most people.

I have no doubt that those people with off street parking and a huge SUV will not be affected by this at all and will continue to drive their SUV on the school run parking on the pavement or just blocking the road because they can.

The EV weight argument is a red herring.

There's a lot to the SUV status symbol. Who needs a 'Chelsea Tractor' for the school run and shopping? We bought an EV last week. Hyundai Inster-small four seat mini-SUV style that's more than adequate for the that job or my 15min run to work and son's 30 mins to University. It replaced a small ICE hatchback. Did not break the back and will save £s over its life. If you are not motorway cruising or need 4WD (and some folk do) then it's so unnecessary.