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From 5 years ago, mainly under Potter. Shame that under Martin and Williams we didn't see more of this version of Grimes. Plenty of tackles from 5 minutes in. His 43 tackles won this season is 84th percentile, so the idea that he doesn't get stuck in doesn't stack up.

In an ideal World I'd have both, not least because they're different players fulfilling different roles. Certainly given a choice between Grimes and Fulton anchoring the midfield in a 4-1-4-1, which we used several times under Sheehan, with O'Brien further forward, I would choose Grimes every...

Grimes has played one season in League One, with Northampton, in 2017/18. Similarly O'Brien has played a solitary season at the same level, in 2018/19 with Bradford, when he managed a career high 4 goals. The reality is there is very little to choose between the two in terms of goals...

Indeed I do. Stats are just a form of information, and I like my opinions to be informed ones.

He's only recently turned 23, young for a centre back. His contract is up in the summer. Wycombe are expecting 400k minimum compensation, but given most of his academy days were with Bristol City, that may be optimistic.

I agree with the broad thrust of your argument. The manager's perspective also plays a big part, so that even if you have a good combination (say Franco and Grimes) they still need to be instructed in a way that makes good use of their strengths. Williams had a weird mishmash if slow tempo build...

You're probably right, but LoB might accept a pay cut in return for a 3 year contract. But we need to get this sorted early and move on if there's no movement.

I aspire to strike a balance between subjectivity and objective facts. I may not get the balance right but the data often has an interesting story to tell. It's easy to be focused too much on one aspect of a player's performance and ignore the underlying data. Take Tymon as an example. His...

Since the 2018/19 season LoB has 16 Grimes has 17, pretty much identical. The most LoB has had in a season is 3, Grimes has 5 twice. Neither prolific, but that's to be expected for Grimes as a DM. LoB is an 8 so you'd expect more. But his strongest asset is his defensive work. He had a stellar...

LoB has a strong negotiating hand. If he says he only wants to go to Swansea, then Forest have the choice of acceding to his wishes or having him in the bench, if that. We would still have to fork out a lot of money, which probably will scupper things. We need to get clarity on this early on in...

Ok, I misunderstood what you meant by former manager.

Numbers (i.e. facts) can challenge false preconceptions. If you have an open mind they can be invigorating.

It's debatable that Grimes was an 8, certainly not under Williams, where he was clearly a 6. I agree that LoB was a better fit for Sheehan's game plan that revolved around winning the territorial battle rather than a possession one.

LoB signed from Huddersfield. Cooper didn't manage them.

The stats I've reported are for this season. Under Williams a big part of the game plan was to spray the balls out to the wings, and a combination of Vigouroux and Grimes were used for that purpose. At one stage late in only Burnley had completed more long passes. Under Sheehan Darling was used...

His 150 accurate long balls is 98th percentile. No doubt you'll be telling me they were all sideways or back to the keeper...

He played 13 games in the Premier League, of which he started 6. LoB and Grimes are both too level Championship players but that's their level. But like Adam Armstrong.

Birmingham is the obvious fit for Darling if he does leave. I really can't see him suiting a Parkinson side.

Grimes is a 6 LoB an 8. Apples and oranges. Despite that LoB only scored 1 for us, which is the relevant statistic.

You make some valid points, but you don't help your argument by making observations that are simply factually incorrect. Grimes was far more progressive in his passing than Fulton or Allen. Twice as many of his passes were forwards as backwards, compared to Fulton, who had equal numbers of...