2 wins in 14 games

[TheGoodDoctor]

Not the only one.
God help you if you criticise Martin- normal answer " we're x points away from the play offs. You old people don't understand the modern game."
Yes we are close to the play offs, because this is a very weak division this year. 2 wins in 14 is normal relegation form, but you can't tell the fan children that.
Certainly not without getting abuse back, because they're entitled to their opinion and you're entitled to better hold their opinion as well

“We are 1 win from the play-offs”…

It is such an awfully thought out retort that makes no mathematical sense.

We are 3 points behind the team in 6th, but 1 win will almost certainly not get us to 6th.

It’s a logical fallacy that people don’t seem to understand. I would be willing to bet £500 with anyone who thinks we are 1 win away from the playoffs…. for a simple £20 return that should we beat Birmingham in the next game, we will not be 6th.

It’s very likely that if we do manage to win our next game we will STILL be 3 points behind the team in 6th.

So that “1 win away from the playoffs” is complete nonsense.

We need consistent wins to get into the playoffs. That’s how you gain on multiple teams above you, not by winning 1 game.

Here’s a scary fact for everyone:-

In our last 15 games. We have only won ONCE against a team that hasn’t been reduced to 10 men in the first 20 mins.

ONCE.

This pro-Martin stuff is a cult and I’ve said it many times before. It makes no sense.

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

“We are 1 win from the play-offs”…

It is such an awfully thought out retort that makes no mathematical sense.

We are 3 points behind the team in 6th, but 1 win will almost certainly not get us to 6th.

It’s a logical fallacy that people don’t seem to understand. I would be willing to bet £500 with anyone who thinks we are 1 win away from the playoffs…. for a simple £20 return that should we beat Birmingham in the next game, we will not be 6th.

It’s very likely that if we do manage to win our next game we will STILL be 3 points behind the team in 6th.

So that “1 win away from the playoffs” is complete nonsense.

We need consistent wins to get into the playoffs. That’s how you gain on multiple teams above you, not by winning 1 game.

Here’s a scary fact for everyone:-

In our last 15 games. We have only won ONCE against a team that hasn’t been reduced to 10 men in the first 20 mins.

ONCE.

This pro-Martin stuff is a cult and I’ve said it many times before. It makes no sense.

Are we the third best team in the league.... Nah

 

[TheGoodDoctor]

One thing I keep reminding myself is our budget is bottom 1/3 and we're almost top 1/3, so we're not doing too bad, but with a few tweaks, we could do better.

Again, the myth that never seems to die.

Can someone genuinely give me their reasoning for believing this “bottom third budget” stuff?

It simply amazes me every time I hear it.

Here’s a fact for you. The bottom third of the league haven’t spent a penny in years. Not a single one.

We have a budget most in the league can only dream of, it’s a top 8 budget with comfort.

 

[Jak365]

Again, the myth that never seems to die.

Can someone genuinely give me their reasoning for believing this “bottom third budget” stuff?

It simply amazes me every time I hear it.

Here’s a fact for you. The bottom third of the league haven’t spent a penny in years. Not a single one.

We have a budget most in the league can only dream of, it’s a top 8 budget with comfort.

It's now beyond bonkers isn't it.

The MartinInsta ploy is to deflect.  Deflect attention away from his glaring deficiencies and shine the light brightly on excuse after excuse.  It's now beyond inexcusable.

In 18mths I've not heard one sensible case for the defence of Martinball. The 17% 'In' shouty gang never say anything coherent.  They just shout loudly all over SM.  And all they do is deflect, shoutily.

Deflection myths:
- trust in the process
- bottom 1/3rd budget
- judge him after 10 games; xmas; next xmas; multiple transfer windows......
- no pre-season
- trust in the process
- no backing from the Owners
- wrong pegs, right holes
- yeah but it's all about experiential learning, see - takes yonks
- troublesome players
- trust in the process
- not a proper club
- we were shite years ago
- only 'n' number of points away from .....playoffs, see
- trust in the process

The Martin lovies - get a grip, say something sensible and stop with this unhealthy bromance. It's so not the good look.

 

[moscowjack]

Aren't some of us allowed to see the positives AND the negatives? It's not all black and white....

I understand what he's trying to do, but can see what the glaring errors are at the same time. Unlike some, I'd love to see Martin succeed with us, but I don't think he has the tools for the type of game we're playing. Our possession game requires goalscoring midfielders and lethal strikers, but we have neither at the moment. I suppose he should adjust the style to fit the group of players he has, but maybe he's too stubborn. I don't know, of course, but I prefer to see us 10th playing this style than 7th playing Cooper's style.

We could blame Martin for the issues with goalscorers like Obafemi and Paterson, or we could blame the players. I know who I'd blame, but these two players are EXACTLY the types of players that we need in this system. Unfortunately, they refuse to play, so we desperately need to replace them with equal, or better, talent.

Latibeaudiere being selected completely bemuses me and does question Martin's football intelligence, if I'm honest, but I do understand the style of football he wants to play. With a few tweaks (like playing overlapping full backs getting behind defences, instead of central defenders playing out of position), we could be a better team, but when you look at our current available squad (so no Obafemi or Paterson), do you really think it's capable of the play offs?

I don't.

 

[ARQS]

People say that goal scoring is the problem yet we have conceded the most goals out of anyone in the top half of the table and in the bottom half, 6 have conceded less than us (including our dear neighbours) and 1 has conceded the same.

Goals scored, only two teams outside of the top 2 have scored more than us (1 more and 2 more)

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

Again, the myth that never seems to die.

Can someone genuinely give me their reasoning for believing this “bottom third budget” stuff?

It simply amazes me every time I hear it.

Here’s a fact for you. The bottom third of the league haven’t spent a penny in years. Not a single one.

We have a budget most in the league can only dream of, it’s a top 8 budget with comfort.

Thank you

 

[TheGoodDoctor]

Aren't some of us allowed to see the positives AND the negatives? It's not all black and white....

I understand what he's trying to do, but can see what the glaring errors are at the same time. Unlike some, I'd love to see Martin succeed with us, but I don't think he has the tools for the type of game we're playing. Our possession game requires goalscoring midfielders and lethal strikers, but we have neither at the moment. I suppose he should adjust the style to fit the group of players he has, but maybe he's too stubborn. I don't know, of course, but I prefer to see us 10th playing this style than 7th playing Cooper's style.

We could blame Martin for the issues with goalscorers like Obafemi and Paterson, or we could blame the players. I know who I'd blame, but these two players are EXACTLY the types of players that we need in this system. Unfortunately, they refuse to play, so we desperately need to replace them with equal, or better, talent.

Latibeaudiere being selected completely bemuses me and does question Martin's football intelligence, if I'm honest, but I do understand the style of football he wants to play. With a few tweaks (like playing overlapping full backs getting behind defences, instead of central defenders playing out of position), we could be a better team, but when you look at our current available squad (so no Obafemi or Paterson), do you really think it's capable of the play offs?

I don't.

There are positives and negatives, and then there are myths and negatives.

With your budget stuff, you ventured into the latter.

“Can see what he’s trying to do” is another buzz phrase that is repeated without much thought.

Tell me what he’s trying to do when he stops the likes of Oko Flex from being direct? Tell me what he’s trying to do when he directs these ludicrous goal kicks and suicide passes along the back for no apparent gain…

What he is trying to do is what you see. He comes away from games where we have been utterly dreadful with slow monotonous and predictable patterns of play and he has said we have played “brilliantly” and doesn’t understand how we lost.

There is no great path to brilliance that we are on. What you see week in week out is what he has worked up to for 18 months, this is it. There is no pot of gold coming.

What he is trying to do has succeeded, it’s just not very good.

The fact is, this squad should be competing at the top end of this league (within playoffs) yet we are stuck languishing, often in the bottom half, excusing away results and performances by pretending we are on some great journey.

- He’s nearly 90 competitive games in now and is the 4th longest serving current manager in the league.

- Been given more to spend in 18 months than any manager in our football league history over that period of time.

- Had the luxury of writing off a whole season (?!) to implement his ideas that look the same today as day 1, if not worse.

- Has had the freedom to bring in players he knows from his former club to shape the squad how he wants.

There is no excuse.

As for “I’d prefer 10th playing this style than 7th playing Coopers style”...

Coopers average finishing position with us was 5th… Martins is 14th (including now)… largely down to his awful style.

Cooper never finished outside the playoffs with us and improved year on year. I’m afraid the Cooper vs Martin comparisons died long ago, they aren’t even in the same realm.

 

[Darran]

I understand what he's trying to do.

Some people were saying that 30 minutes into his first game in charge,I couldn’t and I still can’t.

Being serious though I think far too many people have lost all concept of Association Football,it’s meant to be about winning football matches and we aren’t winning football matches.

 

[TheGoodDoctor]

Agreed. We play a different sport to the rest of the league.

All our opponents are trying to leave the game with equal or more points than us.

That is very much secondary for us.

We want to win the stat sheet for Russell above all, and if we happen to win (rare) then it’s a happy bonus.

If we are ever in danger of being pulled into a relegation fight then he will play properly for a few weeks, restoring us to rightful play off form before resorting to Martinball again when he has enough of a buffer.

As you can probably tell, zero time for him.

It’s simply wasted time until we get a proper manager in.

 

[Jak365]

People say that goal scoring is the problem yet we have conceded the most goals out of anyone in the top half of the table and in the bottom half, 6 have conceded less than us (including our dear neighbours) and 1 has conceded the same.

Goals scored, only two teams outside of the top 2 have scored more than us (1 more and 2 more)

It's because we have a naturally gifted Top 3 frontline and Top 3 midfield - the areas of the pitch which Martin has yet to tamper with - he is still deep in his own quagmire spending a disproportionately massive amount of time destroying our once Top 3 Defence.

And that sentence encapsulates why Martin has failed.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

It's because we have a naturally gifted Top 3 frontline and Top 3 midfield - the areas of the pitch which Martin has yet to tamper with - he is still deep in his own quagmire spending a disproportionately massive amount of time destroying our once Top 3 Defence.

And that sentence encapsulates why Martin has failed.

You're on another thread citing Martin is miss managing the team by banishing and dropping players.

Conversely most of those you cite are attacking ones, Obafemi, Piroe, Whittaker, Paterson....

As I say there are things to blame Martin for, but when you can't even get your own story straight it just comes off as an unwarranted, unbalanced vendetta.

Now you say he's yet to tamper with it!?

 

[Jak365]

You're on another thread citing Martin is miss managing the team by banishing and dropping players.

Conversely most of those you cite are attacking ones, Obafemi, Piroe, Whittaker, Paterson....

As I say there are things to blame Martin for, but when you can't even get your own story straight it just comes off as an unwarranted, unbalanced vendetta.

Now you say he's yet to tamper with it!?

He is mis-managing, in the very worst of ways.

My story, my Facts - straight as a die. So instead of pishing in from outside the tent, have a bash at some proper constructive critique of our manager, his flawed ways, his flawed process, his lack of achievement. That's what matters.

I'm not interested in your interpretation of unbalanced vendettas. I am more interested in redressing the balance of shite SM cult-like support for Martinsballsup. I want Martin out.

I know the Club tunes in here primarily. And elsewhere(to a far lesser extent). It's important the Club gets a proper perspective, from proper fans. So, with that in mind, give it yer best shot, see the bigger picture instead of nit-picking. You're far better than that and you could well be a powerful force as a catalyst for change.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

He is mis-managing, in the very worst of ways.

My story, my Facts - straight as a die. So instead of pishing in from outside the tent, have a bash at some proper constructive critique of our manager, his flawed ways, his flawed process, his lack of achievement. That's what matters.

I'm not interested in your interpretation of unbalanced vendettas. I am more interested in redressing the balance of shite SM cult-like support for Martinsballsup. I want Martin out.

I know the Club tunes in here primarily. And elsewhere(to a far lesser extent). It's important the Club gets a proper perspective, from proper fans. So, with that in mind, give it yer best shot, see the bigger picture instead of nit-picking. You're far better than that and you could well be a powerful force as a catalyst for change.

I thought you said you aren't Resloven?

 

[moscowjack]

People say that goal scoring is the problem yet we have conceded the most goals out of anyone in the top half of the table and in the bottom half, 6 have conceded less than us (including our dear neighbours) and 1 has conceded the same.

Goals scored, only two teams outside of the top 2 have scored more than us (1 more and 2 more)

That's an interesting stat and I almost didn't believe it until I checked it myself.

It does feel like the opposition are capable of scoring every time they get the ball - teams with 30% possession score more goals against us than we do with 70% possession, for example.

It's even more concerning when we often play with three defensive midfielders in front of defence (Jay, Grimes and Joey).