Alan Sheehan-Manager for Next Season

[Smurph]

If that transpires then I really hope they'll have done their homework, because the thought of us being used as a vehicle to rehabilitate someone's flailing career (Steven Gerrard would be one good example) just for clicks and attention, worries me.

And I really, really don't want another 'process' manager who only talks a good game either.

Put simply - they'd better have a bloody good plan.

And not let the search drag out for weeks, months like it has in the past.

The other worry is who looks after the team of they do pull the trigger, which I don't think they will.

 

[rockinj]

He 100% deserved a chance at the full time gig considering the record and tuning he got out of our depleted squad at the time, not everything works out and the showings of late have been abysmal, if it continues he goes and we get someone else, and I bet it’ll be someone who’s more of a statement/name with the new owners in charge.

What is this “deserved a chance” opinion.

I just don’t get it. He earned the right to have a good job elsewhere.

This type of mentality although nice, is not going to serve us well. I’d have invested in pedigree personally. Gone all out on it and thanked Sheehan for a wonderful job in interim.

 

[Smurph]

What is this “deserved a chance” opinion.

I just don’t get it. He earned the right to have a good job elsewhere.

This type of mentality although nice, is not going to serve us well. I’d have invested in pedigree personally. Gone all out on it and thanked Sheehan for a wonderful job in interim.

He more than earn't the job on a full time basis. It's easy for you to act all high and mighty at the first sign of a sticky patch.

 

[JackSomething]

In the summer, the club had the choice of appointing Sheehan or someone else:

- If they appointed Sheehan and he failed, they'd be slated for appointing a 'caretaker' when we needed a 'proper manager'.

- If they appointed a different manager and he failed, they'd be slated for not appointing the guy who was in charge for an incredible turnaround in form and had one of the best records of any of our managers.

We all know plenty of fans would form part of the group slating the club in either scenario, which really highlights how the only way to avoid stick is to be successful. If only it were that easy eh?

 

[1Jack]

If Hearts beat Celtic today and Brendan gets the push...

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

What is this “deserved a chance” opinion.

I just don’t get it. He earned the right to have a good job elsewhere.

This type of mentality although nice, is not going to serve us well. I’d have invested in pedigree personally. Gone all out on it and thanked Sheehan for a wonderful job in interim.

I'm not being funny now, but who do you think we are?

"Carlo, we're getting rid of Alan, I can see Real Madrid have released you, we can put together a very attractive package, fancy a chat?"

Let's get real. We're a middling Championship club, one that is amongst the lowest payers at this level. We can't even afford to bring in a "top" Championship coach, that's why we always take punts on unknowns, high potential or damaged goods. That's our reality.

Sheehan deserved the gig. He earned it with results. We'd have been mad not to give it to him.

 

[rockinj]

I'm not being funny now, but who do you think we are?

"Carlo, we're getting rid of Alan, I can see Real Madrid have released you, we can put together a very attractive package, fancy a chat?"

Let's get real. We're a middling Championship club, one that is amongst the lowest payers at this level. We can't even afford to bring in a "top" Championship coach, that's why we always take punts on unknowns, high potential or damaged goods. That's our reality.

Sheehan deserved the gig. He earned it with results. We'd have been mad not to give it to him.

It’s good business to “invest” in quality. We are paying millions for players what is preventing us having a manager with calibre?

I don’t see investing as dumb I as see as shrewd. This is a different viewpoint which I’ve been arguing about ever since I can remember following the swans.

Pay peanuts you get ….

It doesn’t pay to go cheap.

And let’s not undersell ourselves the swans are not a small club. I never felt out of place in the prem. Not one iota and I’ve been following swans since around burrows.

 

[Smurph]

I'm not being funny now, but who do you think we are?

"Carlo, we're getting rid of Alan, I can see Real Madrid have released you, we can put together a very attractive package, fancy a chat?"

Let's get real. We're a middling Championship club, one that is amongst the lowest payers at this level. We can't even afford to bring in a "top" Championship coach, that's why we always take punts on unknowns, high potential or damaged goods. That's our reality.

Sheehan deserved the gig. He earned it with results. We'd have been mad not to give it to him.

If we hold our nerve, Arne Slot could be available soon.

 

[Smurph]

It’s good business to “invest” in quality. We are paying millions for players what is preventing us having a manager with calibre?

I don’t see investing as dumb I as see as shrewd. This is a different viewpoint which I’ve been arguing about ever since I can remember following the swans.

Pay peanuts you get ….

It doesn’t pay to go cheap.

And let’s not undersell ourselves the swans are not a small club. I never felt out of place in the prem. Not one iota and I’ve been following swans since around burrows.

We are a small club and have been punching well above out weight for around 20 years.

Big money doesn't necessarily mean success.

It's just being obtuse to say Sheehan didn't deserve a full time contract after his exploits last season.

 

[CommonCents]

Managers aren’t like players, players have repeatable ability. Managers often depend on the most suitable players to them, environment etc so it’s not a case of throwing money at someone.

Moyes was great for Everton, rubbish at Man Utd. Rodgers was poor at Watford, excellent for us. Ange was brilliant for Celtic, awful at Forest - they don’t become bad managers overnight, they just aren’t the right fit for the time period the club is in.

If a player doesn’t work out they still hold saleable value, managers don’t and you then have to pay a lot of money to have them leave.

Paying big money for big name coaches when an average sized championship club is an expensive strategy and not a recommended one.

 

[J_B]

Even moderately ranked managers are costly. It’s not just one person, they usually come with a number of assistants and specialist coaches. The sacked manager and coaches need to be paid off. It’s a costly business for a club our size.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

It’s good business to “invest” in quality. We are paying millions for players what is preventing us having a manager with calibre?

I don’t see investing as dumb I as see as shrewd. This is a different viewpoint which I’ve been arguing about ever since I can remember following the swans.

Pay peanuts you get ….

It doesn’t pay to go cheap.

And let’s not undersell ourselves the swans are not a small club. I never felt out of place in the prem. Not one iota and I’ve been following swans since around burrows.

Well, our "peanuts" strategy hasn't worked too badly in the last 20-odd years has it.

Flynn, Jackett, Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup, Potter and Cooper were all varying degrees of successful.

 

[MrSwerve]

Well, our "peanuts" strategy hasn't worked too badly in the last 20-odd years has it.

Flynn, Jackett, Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup, Potter and Cooper were all varying degrees of successful.

Martinez was his first managerial appointment so he wasn't successful at that stage.

 

[rockinj]

Well, our "peanuts" strategy hasn't worked too badly in the last 20-odd years has it.

Flynn, Jackett, Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup, Potter and Cooper were all varying degrees of successful.

I cant be bothered with this conversation.

My posts on this thread from April are literally coming to pass.

Those that were all for Sheehan who are now MOANING are getting all defensive and coming up with he “deserved” it to cover for what looks like …. Yes a costly error.

If you get the management decision wrong you get the whole squad complexion wrong as they are clearly investing in their own team.

So the cost to making a managerial mistake are far higher than the extra cost to employing someone with a proven track record.

I used an important word “invest” too the replies are referring to a cost which implies something else.

Get the management right and you’re looking at promotion within a year or two which pays back tenfold with higher gate receipts, television revenue etc etc

Why is not advocating for Sheehan and suggesting maybe we could been a bit more ambitious a strange position to take?

Last summer we actually had some resources to invest in players. To squander that is a massive disappointment.

But once again I return to what I said. I’m not a Sheehan out. I’m a Sheehan time person. I didn’t want him but I don’t want him sacked now.

 

[rockinj]

I cant be bothered with this conversation.

My posts on this thread from April are literally coming to pass.

Those that were all for Sheehan who are now MOANING are getting all defensive and coming up with he “deserved” it to cover for what looks like …. Yes a costly error.

If you get the management decision wrong you get the whole squad complexion wrong as they are clearly investing in their own team.

So the cost to making a managerial mistake are far higher than the extra cost to employing someone with a proven track record.

I used an important word “invest” too the replies are referring to a cost which implies something else.

Get the management right and you’re looking at promotion within a year or two which pays back tenfold with higher gate receipts, television revenue etc etc

Why is not advocating for Sheehan and suggesting maybe we could been a bit more ambitious a strange position to take?

Last summer we actually had some resources to invest in players. To squander that is a massive disappointment.

But once again I return to what I said. I’m not a Sheehan out. I’m a Sheehan time person. I didn’t want him but I don’t want him sacked now.

To add to this before anyone says. Yes, there’s no guarantee of success but your chances are increased greatly.