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Digital I.D

I’ve got mixed feelings and while I can see both sides of the coin I’m more inclined to be against it.

This has been kicking around for years on and off, but to my mind Boris’s decision to mandate picture ID for voting has brought things back in to focus and is the start of the slippery slope. Local councils are now required to issue people who don’t have picture ID with a form of pictorial ID so they can vote, so this is one step further. According to a google search, about 85% of British people have passports, so we are nearly there already between voter ID, driving licence and passports.

Whether it’ll make a huge difference I’m not so sure. Most employers already want to see ID before they’ll give someone a job. The police have a huge bank of DNA profiles, fingerprints, mug shots etc and PNC has descriptions of tattoos etc and other potentially identifying features, and if the police really want to confirm someone’s ID they can nick them (assuming they’ve committed an offence) and hold them until they’ve confirmed their ID. The police, border force all have access to mobile fingerprint checking devices so they can also be used.

Anyone who comes in to the U.K. and claims asylum or is a refugee is finger printed. ID cards could assist reduce benefit fraud - no ID equals no claim, but equally that could be tackled by requiring people who claim benefits to give a finger or thumb print as a condition of claiming benefits. This would eliminate multiple bogus claims in false names.

If we have a national id card, does that mean the police will be allowed “routine” access to it?

I think we have systems in place that could be adapted to resolve some of the issues without having a full blown ID card and the expense of introducing it. Introducing stiffer penalties for employing illegal workers and closing down loopholes should be the starting point if the purpose of the ID cards is illegal migration.
 
Bizarre on how the Labour Party is so manically desperate to destroy itself!

Nobody from Labour has mentioned the cost of this scheme yet, with speculation that it'll cost billions, despite that ever widening black hole and appalling fiscal deficit, with many experts/economists worried that the U.K is heading for a future financial catastrophe.

So where is the money going to come to pay for it all? Is it to be even more taxation upon the middle class set to be hammered yet again this year with the next upcoming budget, and yearly budgets after that? The money to pay for it will have to come from somewhere.

Wait for in-fighting and civil war within the Labour Party, that'll be of never seen before magnitude.
 
Yes that’s a fair point.
Yes and no.

It’s easier to build an Authoritarian State if the foundations are laid.

Eg if tories scrapped human rights act that wouldn't in itself lead to that outcome but it would decisively shift the centre of gravity once that is in place.

It’s also easy for Gov to add to existing law especially in law & order. Very rarely do you see it shift the orher way.

This is more dangerous in the UK because we dont have a written constitution. You think Trump is bad? The lights would already be turned out without the foundations still hanging on for dear life.
 
They already have the Police National Computer database which holds information on persons, vehicles, properties etc.
ID card wouldn't bother me. The reservation I have with it is down to cost and it begs the question if we actually need it.

Seems like a waste of money that we could put to better use elsewhere.
 
This piqued my curiosity, why would it bother you if the police did have access to this?

Surely it's no difference to a passport or driving licence?

When information and data is collected it’s usually done in accordance with strict criteria and there are laws around who can access what and what if any information can be released. It’s why we have GDPR and all the other legislation.

I’ve no issue with information being released as long as disclosures and access is legitimate and transparent, what I wouldn’t want to see is assurances being given that information won’t be shared or circumstances when information will be shared/ released etc etc only for those rules to be ignored and disregarded.

I was just looking at things from a civil liberties perspective.
 
There are a remarkable number of people who previously argued vehemently in favour of ID Cards now finding themselves to be vehemently opposed to it. Masses of years old tweets are being deleted. But nothing is ever truly deleted.
 
When information and data is collected it’s usually done in accordance with strict criteria and there are laws around who can access what and what if any information can be released. It’s why we have GDPR and all the other legislation.

I’ve no issue with information being released as long as disclosures and access is legitimate and transparent, what I wouldn’t want to see is assurances being given that information won’t be shared or circumstances when information will be shared/ released etc etc only for those rules to be ignored and disregarded.

I was just looking at things from a civil liberties perspective.
Aye I know about GDPR, was just wondering why you were worried about the police having access to digital ID’s specifically.
 

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