Its time...

[Darran]

What do you suggest we do when the hospitals reach capacity shortly after everything is opened back up as you wish?

There were the Nightingale hospitals all over the country that were hardly used back in May/June and now that there is sufficient medicine to stop the rise in deaths, yes, hospitals will be get very busy....but 'run over'? Don't think so.

They’ve dismantled a lot of the nightingale hospitals mind.

 

[Jack12345]

To let supporters ( of every sport) into stadiums in a controlled way

To open up theaters in a controlled way

To let concerts go ahead in a controlled way ect...

Every individual has a responsibility to protect thier own elderly and vulnerable.

We have to get the economy kickstarted in a controlled way until a vaccine is readily available.

Just my opinion

What do you suggest we do when the hospitals reach capacity shortly after everything is opened back up as you wish?

What do you suggest we do if they are unable to find a cure and we have to keep locking things down for maybe years to stop the hospitals getting full, the country will then be totally devastated it is just not feasible.

 

[Swanjaxs]

There were the Nightingale hospitals all over the country that were hardly used back in May/June and now that there is sufficient medicine to stop the rise in deaths, yes, hospitals will be get very busy....but 'run over'? Don't think so.

They’ve dismantled a lot of the nightingale hospitals mind.

Still plenty enough about, enough to cope

 

[Lifelong]

A teacher at a local primary school has tested positive, our Grandson, plus a number of other 6 year olds, have been sent home and told to isolate for 14 days.

Madness.

No football for him this evening and no swimming lessons on Thursday, he’s gutted.

 

[Darran]

Madness.

No football for him this evening and no swimming lessons on Thursday, he’s gutted.

But you can still go to the pub.

 

[Resolvenjack]

They’ve dismantled a lot of the nightingale hospitals mind.

Still plenty enough about, enough to cope

Who is going to man these hospitals then?

 

[Swanjaxs]

Still plenty enough about, enough to cope

Who is going to man these hospitals then?

Fuckin dads army!

What do you suggest then?

Does your job/livelihood rely on the service industry

 

[Resolvenjack]

Who is going to man these hospitals then?

Fuckin dads army!

What do you suggest then?

Does your job/livelihood rely on the service industry

All I am asking is who is going to provide the manpower for the nightingale hospitals. I genuinely have no idea who.It looks like a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Just a question, that's all

 

[Swanjaxs]

Fuckin dads army!

What do you suggest then?

Does your job/livelihood rely on the service industry

All I am asking is who is going to provide the manpower for the nightingale hospitals. I genuinely have no idea who.It looks like a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Just a question, that's all

The manpower is in place (military personnel included), it really is a last option, and most probably, like the first wave will not be needed.

As I've already stated, a controlled ( herd immunity approach) is the best way forward imho.

Protect the elderly and vulnerable, everyone use common sense, students included

 

[Monty]

All I am asking is who is going to provide the manpower for the nightingale hospitals. I genuinely have no idea who.It looks like a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Just a question, that's all

The manpower is in place (military personnel included), it really is a last option, and most probably, like the first wave will not be needed.

As I've already stated, a controlled ( herd immunity approach) is the best way forward imho.

Protect the elderly and vulnerable, everyone use common sense, students included

You're not gonna get anywhere by just 'letting everyone get it' that's how you overcrowd hospitals and kill more people.

Herd immunity is advocating for a huge section of society to hide away and die quietly in a corner so the general 'healthy' masses' can go out for a pint.

It's not the vulnerable's fault why should they suffer so you don't have to?

Bollocks. Just wear a fuckin mask.

 

[Swanjaxs]

The manpower is in place (military personnel included), it really is a last option, and most probably, like the first wave will not be needed.

As I've already stated, a controlled ( herd immunity approach) is the best way forward imho.

Protect the elderly and vulnerable, everyone use common sense, students included

You're not gonna get anywhere by just 'letting everyone get it' that's how you overcrowd hospitals and kill more people.

Herd immunity is advocating for a huge section of society to hide away and die quietly in a corner so the general 'healthy' masses' can go out for a pint.

It's not the vulnerable's fault why should they suffer so you don't have to?

Bollocks. Just wear a fuckin mask.

Just wear a fucking mask you say.

Absolutely

Everyone has a roll to play in this. Yea?

Can you not see this

Herd immunity is reliant the majority act responsibility.

Tough ask, but at least our economy can hopefully keep its head above water whilst we get a reliable vaccine

 

[Monty]

The last six months have not shown you the majority can't even spell it let alone act responsibly? If you want this virus to go on for the next 25 years then let people do as they please and protect/slowly kill 'the vulnerable'. That would probably suit the Tories down to the ground. They should just make people wear a mask everytime they leave their house so there is no mixed messages, none of this put it on in the shop then you can take it off outside. Caught without a mask? Have a fine. Caught a second time? Spend a month on house arrest with a nice little ankle bracelet. That'll learn em.

 

[Swanjaxs]

The last six months have not shown you the majority can't even spell it let alone act responsibly? If you want this virus to go on for the next 25 years then let people do as they please and protect/slowly kill 'the vulnerable'. That would probably suit the Tories down to the ground. They should just make people wear a mask everytime they leave their house so there is no mixed messages, none of this put it on in the shop then you can take it off outside. Caught without a mask? Have a fine. Caught a second time? Spend a month on house arrest with a nice little ankle bracelet. That'll learn em.

Firstly, a vaccine will be found, so 25 years is way off the mark.

Secondly, you mention the Tories, I couldn't give a fuck about politics.

Finally, yes, I agree stronger penalties should be introduced, for instance, any student found to be breaking lockdown regulations should have thier course revoked and be sent home after self isolating...

And that's just a start mate

 

[Itchysphincter]

The last six months have not shown you the majority can't even spell it let alone act responsibly? If you want this virus to go on for the next 25 years then let people do as they please and protect/slowly kill 'the vulnerable'. That would probably suit the Tories down to the ground. They should just make people wear a mask everytime they leave their house so there is no mixed messages, none of this put it on in the shop then you can take it off outside. Caught without a mask? Have a fine. Caught a second time? Spend a month on house arrest with a nice little ankle bracelet. That'll learn em.

Firstly, a vaccine will be found, so 25 years is way off the mark.

Secondly, you mention the Tories, I couldn't give a fuck about politics.

Finally, yes, I agree stronger penalties should be introduced, for instance, any student found to be breaking lockdown regulations should have thier course revoked and be sent home after self isolating...

And that's just a start mate

I haven’t bothered replying until now but being as you keep mentioning it - what convinces you that a vaccine can be found? If it can it could take years of testing and trialling and then it would have to go in to production and we could never keep up with the demand, and that’s not taking in to account any of the long term heath implications it might bring. It’s a ridiculous concept.

Otherwise, I agree with both you and Monty. The only thing that will bring back some kind of normal will be high levels of immunity, but to get there lots of people will die. The strategy has to be more targeted - it’s not a one size fits all solution. Those classed as vulnerable should be protected, both physically and financially. Those in lower risk groups should have to get on with it. Mass testing has always been the key to this and Bojo’s mob have failed miserably. Anti-body testing should also be readily available. The number of deaths doesn’t tell us a great deal until we know how many people have it, or have had it.

The last part that you wrote about students is bollocks. Don’t you think, what with Brexit and now this virus, that we’ve already done enough damage to their futures? What is it with people that they are so bitter that they have to punish young people for the mistakes of older generations? Not only are they blameless, they also have to pay the highest price. Heartbreaking.

 

[Professor]

Firstly, a vaccine will be found, so 25 years is way off the mark.

Secondly, you mention the Tories, I couldn't give a fuck about politics.

Finally, yes, I agree stronger penalties should be introduced, for instance, any student found to be breaking lockdown regulations should have thier course revoked and be sent home after self isolating...

And that's just a start mate

I haven’t bothered replying until now but being as you keep mentioning it - what convinces you that a vaccine can be found? If it can it could take years of testing and trialling and then it would have to go in to production and we could never keep up with the demand, and that’s not taking in to account any of the long term heath implications it might bring. It’s a ridiculous concept.

Otherwise, I agree with both you and Monty. The only thing that will bring back some kind of normal will be high levels of immunity, but to get there lots of people will die. The strategy has to be more targeted - it’s not a one size fits all solution. Those classed as vulnerable should be protected, both physically and financially. Those in lower risk groups should have to get on with it. Mass testing has always been the key to this and Bojo’s mob have failed miserably. Anti-body testing should also be readily available. The number of deaths doesn’t tell us a great deal until we know how many people have it, or have had it.

The last part that you wrote about students is bollocks. Don’t you think, what with Brexit and now this virus, that we’ve already done enough damage to their futures? What is it with people that they are so bitter that they have to punish young people for the mistakes of older generations? Not only are they blameless, they also have to pay the highest price. Heartbreaking.

Students are a convenient scapegoat who have been served very badly. The government/OFS drive for on campus face to face teaching is a disaster. Whilst we (Liverpool) have done the best we could, bringing people around the U.K. to the hotspots of Liverpool and Manchester was a disaster waiting to happen.

I don’t disagree about antibody testing, though the length of response may prove an issue-
Would exposure in March still have sufficient levels to test positive?

I am more optimistic about a vaccine as well established vaccines out there for coronavirus infections of pigs and chickens. In theory it is fairly straightforward as it has a great big target in the spike protein. Scale up should be much easier than flu which needs either cell culture or embryonated eggs to make the vaccines.
My bigger worry is that protection may not be that great and relatively short in duration .