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[Swanjaxs]

So, have our American owners made any money from thier punt on a football team that any of them would have never heard of before chancing thier luck, who knows, but they have stuck around long enough haven't they.

Anyhow, just a little perspective on how "hedge funds" make thier dollars...

hedge fund
noun
an offshore investment fund, typically formed as a private limited partnership, that engages in speculation using credit or borrowed capital.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

There are myriad perfectly legal ways of siphoning money out of a football club.

You know - and this is just off the top of my head - vastly increasing the numbers of non playing staff when a club is in the Premier League, then making a load of redundancies after relegation when the money ran out. Or inventing Mickey mouse roles for golf buddies to come over to keep your chairman company. Just saying like.

Oh, by the way, did we ever get to the bottom of why about 5 years ago our owners refused to let the Trust's supporter director at the time - an actual Director of the club - see the full books, without signing an NDA first? I don't think we did, did we. Of course there was nothing suss about that. Nothing at all...

Many people genuinely think all football is like the PL where clubs naturally turn a profit and have pocket money to spend every transfer window. So when we sell a player for £15m and only spend £5m you get posts asking "where has all the money gone!?!"

It's fair enough from an average football fan why is under no obligation to understand or care about how the financial side actually works (what do you mean there's other costs besides the transfer fees reported on TV?) but you sometimes hear the same things from professional pundits (like Iwan Roberts on Elis James podcast) who should probably take the time to inform themselves better before having a rant to a large trusting audience.

 

[Niigata Jack]

Can you still buy Babycham?

They substitute Babycham with White Lightening down Gower mun!

 

[Niigata Jack]

How many minutes until the Trust “welcome” their further dilution

They agreed the deal to drop to 5% which will be worth about 5 quid if when we drop to league one!

 

[newquay]

Can you still buy Babycham?

I asked a friend and she said: absolutely !

Your deserved promo to Mod must now surely be imminent - the heartbeat, the ever-present omnipresent with a silky touch, smoothing the choppy waters - calmness personified, whilst also coaxing, teasing ongoing dialogue and new threads….

The exemplar new breed of Facilitator-Moderator.

A few features, articles and reports will seal it

 

[Swanjaxs]

I asked a friend and she said: absolutely !

Your deserved promo to Mod must now surely be imminent - the heartbeat, the ever-present omnipresent with a silky touch, smoothing the choppy waters - calmness personified, whilst also coaxing, teasing ongoing dialogue and new threads….

The exemplar new breed of Facilitator-Moderator.

A few features, articles and reports will seal it

Stop it! I'm a married man

 

[jasper_T]

There are myriad perfectly legal ways of siphoning money out of a football club.

You know - and this is just off the top of my head - vastly increasing the numbers of non playing staff when a club is in the Premier League, then making a load of redundancies after relegation when the money ran out. Or inventing Mickey mouse roles for golf buddies to come over to keep your chairman company. Just saying like.

Oh, by the way, did we ever get to the bottom of why about 5 years ago our owners refused to let the Trust's supporter director at the time - an actual Director of the club - see the full books, without signing an NDA first? I don't think we did, did we. Of course there was nothing suss about that. Nothing at all...

As I said, some fans don't/won't realise that Championship football clubs all lose enormous sums of money every year, and assume the crafty businessmen must be squirrelling fortunes out somehow (faster than they're visibly putting it in)..

 

[newquay]

Many people genuinely think all football is like the PL where clubs naturally turn a profit and have pocket money to spend every transfer window. So when we sell a player for £15m and only spend £5m you get posts asking "where has all the money gone!?!"

It's fair enough from an average football fan why is under no obligation to understand or care about how the financial side actually works (what do you mean there's other costs besides the transfer fees reported on TV?) but you sometimes hear the same things from professional pundits (like Iwan Roberts on Elis James podcast) who should probably take the time to inform themselves better before having a rant to a large trusting audience.

Spot on Jasp, yet it's far worse than that.

If it wasn't so serious, some of the stuff I've read online is proper twp, comedy gold.

Grown ups that simply fail to grasp schoolboy level finance, disseminating damaging menace with a view to stir up the even twper twps. And it often works - with asbo corner whipped up into such a bonkers frenzy that one minute they're hurling vicious vitriol against our club, then when we score the same twps are singing our praises (when they'd forgotten what they were vitriolic about).

There was a thread here recently by a new poster ('1963' was in his username) that attempted to stir, using the same twp nonsense propaganda as above - fortunately the folk here are far smarter than that troll and the troll slunk off back to where it belongs, elsewhere.

 

[Longlostjack]

I wonder what Nigel Morris' thoughts are. Put money in, club is now less saleable than it was and his percentage holding has also now been reduced.

I‘ve never understood his motivation. My dream was that he had a plan to get rid of the clueless Yanks.

 

[newquay]

I‘ve never understood his motivation. My dream was that he had a plan to get rid of the clueless Yanks.

His motivation, along with AC and BC was featured and covered pretty spot on by WoL last year - they clearly had the inside intel, much to the chagrin of some..
A combined multi 10s of £Ms invested with 'next level' finance, which our previous owners were unable to raise. The 'next level' of funding which not just keeps the lights on but allows us to spend record amounts in the transfer window and helps to propel us to achieve the collective goal.

The motivation is: maximise shareholder value (and some personal kudos).

No need for the derisive slur re our American owners. Grow up.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

I‘ve never understood his motivation. My dream was that he had a plan to get rid of the clueless Yanks.

Yea bizarre, obviously a very successful businessman so what opportunity he saw in us I have no idea. He must have known we are losing money year on year and parachute payments were well behind us. Maybe he enjoys the prestige of owning part of a football club but so far he doesn't seem to have shown any interest in being involved with running the club and did nothing to prevent himself getting diluted. Weird.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

His motivation, along with AC and BC was featured and covered pretty spot on by WoL last year - they clearly had the inside intel, much to the chagrin of some..
A combined multi 10s of £Ms invested with 'next level' finance, which our previous owners were unable to raise. The 'next level' of funding which not just keeps the lights on but allows us to spend record amounts in the transfer window and helps to propel us to achieve the collective goal.

The motivation is: maximise shareholder value (and some personal kudos).

No need for the derisive slur re our American owners. Grow up.

It's a money pit currently. The 'next level' funding is going purely to plug gaps caused by poor management on their watch (note this was not needed under the previous administration). It looked a terrible investment for Morris et al at the time time and its proving to be the case.

 

[Longlostjack]

His motivation, along with AC and BC was featured and covered pretty spot on by WoL last year - they clearly had the inside intel, much to the chagrin of some..
A combined multi 10s of £Ms invested with 'next level' finance, which our previous owners were unable to raise. The 'next level' of funding which not just keeps the lights on but allows us to spend record amounts in the transfer window and helps to propel us to achieve the collective goal.

The motivation is: maximise shareholder value (and some personal kudos).

No need for the derisive slur re our American owners. Grow up.

Defensive slur? You need to grow a pair pal. You come across as someone protecting a North Korean dynasty. Thanks for the money to keep the lights on. We‘ll be forever grateful !
As if u absolute and utter twat! We were doing fine before our local boys couldn’t resist the dollars and sold out.

 

[newquay]

It's a money pit currently. The 'next level' funding is going purely to plug gaps caused by poor management on their watch (note this was not needed under the previous administration). It looked a terrible investment for Morris et al at the time time and its proving to be the case.

Yea bizarre, obviously a very successful businessman so what opportunity he saw in us I have no idea. He must have known we are losing money year on year and parachute payments were well behind us. Maybe he enjoys the prestige of owning part of a football club but so far he doesn't seem to have shown any interest in being involved with running the club and did nothing to prevent himself getting diluted. Weird.

It's far bigger than that Chief - it's a mindset thing. And that's not dissing the mindset of the average Swans fan online. It's simply a matter of fact.

We are currently in uncharted waters for the vast majority of conservative Swans fans, unfamiliar and uncomfortable with primarily financially driven investment decision making. Maximising shareholder value is alien to some, it must be uncomfortable for the likes of Andrew North Hill, completely out his depth and slurring his words badly.

It's clear that the combined additional, massive influx of investment from the 3 amigos is just that - a combined, joint and several investment in the future of our Swans. Happy days, for those with the right mindset...

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[Longlostjack]

Just to add I‘ve nothing - absolutely nothing against our US fans who‘ve joined us since Bob Bradley.