Pedestrian Jailed For Manslaughter

[Neath_Jack]

When I said the cyclist was incorrect, I said it out of a safety perspective, like I was thinking the cyclist should have been on the inside of the footpath, rather than near to the road, although I have just watched the video of what happened on Wales Online, and it looks like both the pedestrian and cyclist chose the middle of the footpath.

It's such an unnecessary death, which I can only hazard a guess, was caused by both the cyclist and pedestrian, not giving way to one another, like if it was me and saw a cyclist heading towards me, I would move, also if I was a cyclist I would slow down and let the pedestrian pass.

I note in the case, they say it's a shared, but I think it's an unwritten rule that a cyclist would give way to a pedestrian?

The highway code hierarchy of road users gives the pedestrian the most protections, insomuch that a cyclist, next in the chain should give way to the pedestrian.

 

[Jack2jack]

The problem is these days, local authorities are trying to shoe horn these cycle paths on existing highways, given the budgets available it is difficult to achieve. I would argue that if it's not up to standard, the scheme should never go be given the go ahead.
As to this case its absolutely tragic. We all have a responsibility as road users to look out for each other.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Bit strange that, it's either an SUP or not. If it was an SUP, there would have to be signage and markings on the footway, warning peds and cyclists. Odd.

What’s an SUP?

 

[Jack2jack]

What’s an SUP?

Shared use path

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Shared use path

They were called pavements when I was a lad.

 

[Jack2jack]

They were called pavements when I was a lad.

Its gone all technical dont you know. I would bore you with all the detail, but its sunday, and I dont get payed for weekends.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Shared use path

I thought they were Stand Up Paddleboards :lol:

 

[jack123]

I'm not being funny here, and I dont know the exact layout where the incident happened, but 2.4m is not wide enough for a SUP.

That's a good point, I was curious about this after watching the video, seeing how narrow the footpath was, and after a google it says the minimum width of a SUP should be 3 metres, where the accident occurred it was 2.4 metres. Though I would have thought, the defence would have picked up on that, that the width of the footpath was just an accident waiting to happen.

There's a link here about SUP, although I'm not sure if this is just guidance, rather than law.

https://narrowboatworld.com/11726-minimum-widths-for-combined-cycle-and-pedestrian-routes#:~:text=The%20minimum%20required%20width%20for,pedestrian%20path%20is%203%20metres.

 

[Jack2jack]

Thanks for the link, however, we use our own specific guidance etc. I have looked at the site on google maps.
I wont comment further on the detail of this, it would be un professional of me.
It's an awful, tragic case.

 

[jack123]

Thanks for the link, however, we use our own specific guidance etc. I have looked at the site on google maps.
I wont comment further on the detail of this, it would be un professional of me.
It's an awful, tragic case.

I suppose, ultimately the blame or partial blame for this happening has to
go to the ones who proposed this footpath being an SUP in the first place, thinking about this any proposal of an SUP on such a footpath so narrow is ludicrous once you factor the human element into it.

The human element is a mad thing, I was thinking earlier, I was down Singleton Hospital a while back, and after picking up a prescription from the pharmacy, I was walking back towards the main entrance, along the really narrow corridor, (where there is only room for 2 people) next thing these 2 bloody idiots enter the corridor from the main entrance, and they are walking side by side, I think what do I do pin myself to the wall, or walk backwards, nah I'll just keep walking one of them is bound to move, well they ferking didn't and just walked straight into me, and said ooo as if like where did you come from. Still puzzling me now what it was all about.

The point of that story is, humans are humans and they do the strangest things, so I think something like a SUP should consider the human element as a major factor in decision making.