Where Do We Go From Here? Wiliams Is Killing Us! Any Suggestions?

[3swan]

Crowds dropping are not making a difference at all and I agree that something needs to change.
People seem to be putting their cash all into the gates dropping category and hoping it pays dividends!

Imo the crowds dropping significantly will cause a rethink, but will it be the right one.
Do you think the board/owners have enough to make the right or brave enough for a change of direction or just blindly carry on with their P.R. out dated belief in the Swansea Way.
There is more.of a mindset change needed at the club for football to flourish again.
How deep their pockets are to cover losses who knows, but I do think with most it's a side line where tax losses can be offset within their other businesses.

 

[magicdaps10]

Imo the crowds dropping significantly will cause a rethink, but will it be the right one.
Do you think the board/owners have enough to make the right or brave enough for a change of direction or just blindly carry on with their P.R. out dated belief in the Swansea Way.
There is more.of a mindset change needed at the club for football to flourish again.
How deep their pockets are to cover losses who knows, but I do think with most it's a side line where tax losses can be offset within their other businesses.

There does need to be a big change in mindset but do they have the sense to change it? Doesn't look like does it.

They have the money, concern is that they have enough money to turn and around and say that they have had enough of this.....so enough money to walk away from it and not effect them personally but will leave a big mess behind them.

I think the intentions are good with them but they don't have the knowledge how to get it moving in the right direction. We certainly need an input of people at the club who knows football and not set out with data and sitting in front of a computer, looking at a screen and saying this is what we need to do.
Let's not forget, even these guys working with data...we need to ask who is putting the data in in the first place and is the data even correct that is being entered onto the computer.

Leave football to the football people, leave the IT guys working on the website for example.

 

[Swans Jack]

Williams is a one trick pony, don't buy in to this nonsense what he's serving up week in week out is down to the chairman.

Is Coleman telling him who to select, make changes during the game and constantly pass sides ways and backwards?

It's not up to people who would rather sit in their armchairs and save money watching the crap being served up over the last 12 months and make their voices heard.

It is an entertainment business more now than ever due to the money involved. If the manager gave fans something to be excited about, they would go to the game.

It is a bit pompous preaching to people on how to spend their money.

Couldn't of said it better myself. Spot on. Literally my thoughts

 

[monmouth]

A one trick pony without a trick.

 

[cmajack]

It's clear that Williams is in trouble, I hope he turns it around but clearly a lot of fans have had it with him given some of the stuff people are typing about him.
Far too much of people's anger and annoyance is aimed at Williams when it alot more of it should be aimed at Coleman and co as they have the power to call the shots and make the decisions, it's obvious there is no intention to get rid of the manager.

It's upto the people who sit in their house on matchday just posting on the matchday thread to get down the stadium and make their voices heard if they want things to change.
I get people are going to post back to me saying this and that but the reality is that people don't want to hear things they don't like......and I know the ones who sit on their arses just racking up the posts on a matchday thread home game after home game will be the ones who will not like it the most.

Williams is a lot of the problem, it was Williams decision to rest Franco and play Fulton, it's generally his decision on using substitutes, and most of those have either no impact or negative impact. It's also his decision to completely snuff out giving our youth players a chance. He isn't all the problems but he's definitely a huge amount of our problems, and personally listening to the fans the last couple of home games, most have had enough of him and his tedious walking football.

 

[cmajack]

Well again, if costs are too much then the club should be doing something if people who would like to go can't afford it. They won't do anything if people just sit on their hands and keep their mouth closed!

It's better to have an extra 5k going and paying let's say £15 for a ticket than 5k not going because they can't afford to pay £35.

I would say this is where the supporters trust needs to stand up and take note.

Really don't think a lot of people would go if it was £5 a ticket at the moment. The product is absolutely dreadful. Fans have had enough, there's no progress being seen under Williams.

 

[Swanjaxs]

Well again, if costs are too much then the club should be doing something if people who would like to go can't afford it. They won't do anything if people just sit on their hands and keep their mouth closed!

It's better to have an extra 5k going and paying let's say £15 for a ticket than 5k not going because they can't afford to pay £35.

I would say this is where the supporters trust needs to stand up and take note.

I genuinely lolled with that last line mate, fair play like

 

[magicdaps10]

I genuinely lolled with that last line mate, fair play like

I laughed myself when I was typing it, it was more in irony than anything.

Oh to have a trust that stands up and speaks for it's members hey

 

[magicdaps10]

Really don't think a lot of people would go if it was £5 a ticket at the moment. The product is absolutely dreadful. Fans have had enough, there's no progress being seen under Williams.

It's certainly stale at the moment and agree that there looks to be no progress.
It's certainly going to be a few months of keeping our heads above water unless something changes but I don't see enough quality in the squad especially in the final 3rd to see things changing enough to finish the season with some breathing space.

Even if we do stay up, it's another summer of transition and many changes, it shouldn't be happening so soon after what was spent in the summer of 2023. The negligence of that summer was quite shocking.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Well they were clowns, saying it as it is.

There was a real hope that football would change after Cooper but there were a group of people who took offence with this as they liked Cooper and early doors set a knife into the Martin era because they didn't like that people were happy that Cooper had gone.
I got at the time their defence for Cooper but things were done in the wrong way and the damage that was being opened up at the time was a big fear for me at the time that the poison would just spread.......and here we find ourselves.

There's a lot of truth here I think.

A lot of people were quite happy to tolerate Cooperball because the majority of the time it produced results.

Whoever came in after that was on a hiding to nothing because the parachute money had finally run out. Martin was always going to be a lightning rod for criticism because he's one of these "process" managers, and the "process" only ever worked about 10 matches a season. But we could have put a Cooper clone in charge and he'd have struggled too, got 5-10 points more perhaps due to being pragmatic, but nothing dramatic.

The way the club is run is 80% of the problem - it was true back in 2016, and it's still true now. It doesn't matter what coach is in charge, you're only taking about a 5-10 point swing either way, lower mid table is only ever going to be the ceiling, we are going nowhere under this regime.

 

[magicdaps10]

There's a lot of truth here I think.

A lot of people were quite happy to tolerate Cooperball because the majority of the time it produced results.

Whoever came in after that was on a hiding to nothing because the parachute money had finally run out. Martin was always going to be a lightning rod for criticism because he's one of these "process" managers, and the "process" only ever worked about 10 matches a season. But we could have put a Cooper clone in charge and he'd have struggled just as much, perhaps 5-10 points more but nothing dramatic.

The way the club is run is 80% of the problem - it was true back in 2016, and it's still true now. It doesn't matter what coach is in charge, you're only taking about a 5-10 point swing either way, lower mid table is only ever going to be the ceiling, we are going nowhere under this regime.

It's always been about what suits and even those who called that out were doing so to suit themselves totally oblivious to the irony that they were calling others out with.

I could see it all unfolding early doors and hoped it wouldn't come to the situation we find ourselves in today but clearly looking back too much poison was put in just to suit personal agendas and try and prove they were right when it was always a open book with no clear black or white to claim.

 

[NEATH JACK 8]

It's clear that Williams is in trouble, I hope he turns it around but clearly a lot of fans have had it with him given some of the stuff people are typing about him.
Far too much of people's anger and annoyance is aimed at Williams when it alot more of it should be aimed at Coleman and co as they have the power to call the shots and make the decisions, it's obvious there is no intention to get rid of the manager.

It's upto the people who sit in their house on matchday just posting on the matchday thread to get down the stadium and make their voices heard if they want things to change.
I get people are going to post back to me saying this and that but the reality is that people don't want to hear things they don't like......and I know the ones who sit on their arses just racking up the posts on a matchday thread home game after home game will be the ones who will not like it the most.

You could completely turn your argument on the head. People who are sick of going and won't support this regime can say that you won't like being told (the most) that you are helping in keeping the status quo.

 

[NEATH JACK 8]

I started reading this thread from the beginning and could see the way it qas going to turn out. There are some on here who say fans should go, support team, voice concerns etc. Now I don't agree with that but I've had conversations. Others swing the other way, like me, and I've seen conversations between the two sides.
Then you've got the "I'm right, fuck you" posts. Their opinion is correct, end of. All sorts of mud is thrown. Not real supporters (well we are, you could say we care more by refusing to watch our beloved club as it is ); "since the Premiership " crap (most of the non-attendees, like myself, have been going since the 70's. We have seen it all. We don't expect the PL. We spent most of our times in crowds under 5K).
When the biggest issue is Coleman, Williams, the players etc, fucking marvellous that some fools think the best way forward is to cause division between supporters.

 

[magicdaps10]

You could completely turn your argument on the head. People who are sick of going and won't support this regime can say that you won't like being told (the most) that you are helping in keeping the status quo.

100% agree, I have always tried to enlighten the other side and am always open to it with people that are as open as me.

It's how it's delivered and if it's accepted.

 

[magicdaps10]

I started reading this thread from the beginning and could see the way it qas going to turn out. There are some on here who say fans should go, support team, voice concerns etc. Now I don't agree with that but I've had conversations. Others swing the other way, like me, and I've seen conversations between the two sides.
Then you've got the "I'm right, fuck you" posts. Their opinion is correct, end of. All sorts of mud is thrown. Not real supporters (well we are, you could say we care more by refusing to watch our beloved club as it is ); "since the Premiership " crap (most of the non-attendees, like myself, have been going since the 70's. We have seen it all. We don't expect the PL. We spent most of our times in crowds under 5K).
When the biggest issue is Coleman, Williams, the players etc, fucking marvellous that some fools think the best way forward is to cause division between supporters.

Spot on with the "I'm right, fuck you" brigade.

Us as fans need to be united but unfortunately we have fans who would rather be right rather than try and see a route to bring fans together.
As I have said, I could see the start of it a few years back.