Would you sack Cooper?

[Captain_Sham]

Parachute payments run out at the end of the season and we have no one left to sell. Loanees will go back and Ayew will leave. Next season is going to be tough. I don't profess to know more about football management than an actual football manager( I am in the minority on here in that respect) and I think its wise to wait and see how things pan out before making any decisions on next season. You always have a punchers chance in the playoffs.

Ayew has contributed zero in most games and has often made us worse with his 25 touches and refusal to pass or his falling over beating the ground after hopelessly losing the ball. £80k a week my arse.

This morning I am thinking that Mr PowerPoint has earned the right to have the next 8 games and let’s see, but I also think any change would benefit us. He has made them scared to do anything. They are all hiding behind safe passes backwards or forward or diagonal hoofs. It is pure frightened football. Rodgers always used to encourage bravery. Remember when he took responsibility for Rangel’s mistake against Man U and basically encouraged him to try it again but get it right? The Shapemeister is the absolute opposite. He is a chancer that has nothing more to offer than negative anti football and his luck has taken a turn for the worse. He has tuned these players into a bunch of shithouse cowards.

Maybe the justified shitstorm he will get online and Bowyer’s stinging comments will force him into some changes and he will get lucky again. That’s our only real hope now. Lady Luck returning.

We were shocking last night. Thats not up for debate.
Interesting stat from last night was that it was the first time since Potter that we failed to score in two successive games. It was also the first time we lost three in a row under Cooper. What it means is that he has always managed to get a response until now, which means that he may very well be on borrowed time. I dont think deserves the hate he is getting but I also think he does not deserve much more patience. End of the season maybe.

 

[monmouth]

We were shocking last night. Thats not up for debate.
Interesting stat from last night was that it was the first time since Potter that we failed to score in two successive games. It was also the first time we lost three in a row under Cooper. What it means is that he has always managed to get a response until now, which means that he may very well be on borrowed time. I dont think deserves the hate he is getting but I also think he does not deserve much more patience. End of the season maybe.

He will get more flak than he deserves, but coming out saying he deserves a bumper contract after the last few games invites scorn. He’s almost certainly a decent bloke, just very limited and has ridden his luck. There are worse, but he’s not really a fit for us after we’ve admittedly been spoiled (for those who hark back to the terrible things we’ve seen in the past, why not instead hark back to 2007-2013...our frame of reference should be aspirational).

I think more likely is a far worse outcome. He is for some reason a press ‘golden boy’ with the full myth around him. Sky still go on about us being a footballing team despite every single match they broadcast showing the opposite.

So the worse more likely outcome. He gets a new contract ant is sacked and paid off at Xmas when we’re scuffing around the arse end of the table, or with crowds back to let him know what they think of his hoof and hope.

 

[Captain_Sham]

We were shocking last night. Thats not up for debate.
Interesting stat from last night was that it was the first time since Potter that we failed to score in two successive games. It was also the first time we lost three in a row under Cooper. What it means is that he has always managed to get a response until now, which means that he may very well be on borrowed time. I dont think deserves the hate he is getting but I also think he does not deserve much more patience. End of the season maybe.

He will get more flak than he deserves, but coming out saying he deserves a bumper contract after the last few games invites scorn. He’s almost certainly a decent bloke, just very limited and has ridden his luck. There are worse, but he’s not really a fit for us after we’ve admittedly been spoiled (for those who hark back to the terrible things we’ve seen in the past, why not instead hark back to 2007-2013...our frame of reference should be aspirational).

I think more likely is a far worse outcome. He is for some reason a press ‘golden boy’ with the full myth around him. Sky still go on about us being a footballing team despite every single match they broadcast showing the opposite.

So the worse more likely outcome. He gets a new contract ant is sacked and paid off at Xmas when we’re scuffing around the arse end of the table, or with crowds back to let him know what they think of his hoof and hope.

Next season is going to be shyt. That is almost inevitable. If we get promoted( heaven forbid) he will be our manager. If we dont go up its going to be a hard reset with the bare bones of what we have now. I cant decide if we would prefer stability or scorched earth in that scenario. Life tends to demand all debts in full. After our meteoric rise, the envelope just landed on the mat.

 

[Manselton Jack]

I think anyone who didn't watch us would be astonished by this thread, our squad is not as good as those of Norwich, Watford & Brentford so we should be happy with where we are.
BUT
As a long-term Swans fan I've had enough of watching the rubbish being served up by Cooper at the moment.
I posted something similar last season after getting back from another underwhelming performance at Blackburn then we had the post lockdown improvement & thought there was some hope he'd learnt to adapt his approach - obviously not.
He's stubborn & won't change.
We've been here before with Sousa & Monk.
I can't see any way he'll be sacked but reluctantly I'll say he should be.

 

[sainthelens]

We were shocking last night. Thats not up for debate.
Interesting stat from last night was that it was the first time since Potter that we failed to score in two successive games. It was also the first time we lost three in a row under Cooper. What it means is that he has always managed to get a response until now, which means that he may very well be on borrowed time. I dont think deserves the hate he is getting but I also think he does not deserve much more patience. End of the season maybe.

He will get more flak than he deserves, but coming out saying he deserves a bumper contract after the last few games invites scorn. He’s almost certainly a decent bloke, just very limited and has ridden his luck. There are worse, but he’s not really a fit for us after we’ve admittedly been spoiled (for those who hark back to the terrible things we’ve seen in the past, why not instead hark back to 2007-2013...our frame of reference should be aspirational).

I think more likely is a far worse outcome. He is for some reason a press ‘golden boy’ with the full myth around him. Sky still go on about us being a footballing team despite every single match they broadcast showing the opposite.

So the worse more likely outcome. He gets a new contract ant is sacked and paid off at Xmas when we’re scuffing around the arse end of the table, or with crowds back to let him know what they think of his hoof and hope.

This with fckn bells on. Great post.

 

[Best_loser]

Cooper has done a good job but I looks like it won't be enough
I think its 50/50 he moves on , we had a better chance of getting automatic spot than we might get again for a long time, I don't think the owners backed him enough , a few extra players were needed in January, hope I'm wrong and we win the play offs

 

[waynekerr55]

I'm baffled that after the Norwich game how we've gone so far backwards. Somethings not right that's for sure.

People seem to think we were amazing against Norwich, like that famous West Brom victory in the Premier League.

We weren’t that great against Norwich... they had 60% possession, dominated the game and were missing Buendia and pukki was way out of form.

Had they had Buendia they would have destroyed us.

I suppose the point I (poorly) made was that we were defensively solid and created chances; we're doing neither now and we've gone to sh*t

 

[PSumbler]

We were shocking last night. Thats not up for debate.
Interesting stat from last night was that it was the first time since Potter that we failed to score in two successive games. It was also the first time we lost three in a row under Cooper. What it means is that he has always managed to get a response until now, which means that he may very well be on borrowed time. I dont think deserves the hate he is getting but I also think he does not deserve much more patience. End of the season maybe.

He will get more flak than he deserves, but coming out saying he deserves a bumper contract after the last few games invites scorn. He’s almost certainly a decent bloke, just very limited and has ridden his luck. There are worse, but he’s not really a fit for us after we’ve admittedly been spoiled (for those who hark back to the terrible things we’ve seen in the past, why not instead hark back to 2007-2013...our frame of reference should be aspirational).

I think more likely is a far worse outcome. He is for some reason a press ‘golden boy’ with the full myth around him. Sky still go on about us being a footballing team despite every single match they broadcast showing the opposite.

So the worse more likely outcome. He gets a new contract ant is sacked and paid off at Xmas when we’re scuffing around the arse end of the table, or with crowds back to let him know what they think of his hoof and hope.

I'm not defending him but he never said he deserves a bumper contract. That was just team talk making stuff up.

On a side note I have read several comments on Twitter today about how the owners have let him down. Again, not defending them but they have backed him heavily with some ofhis signings. Cooper had plenty of time to get a Number 9 in he can blame everyone else all he wants but the blame on that sits firmly in his court. He hung his summer hat around Brewster and never had a plan B

 

[thefranchise]

I'd have sacked him by now. Not just because of results, but he doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes and doesn't know how to change games. Even if the club signed players for him to use, it's his job to use them.

 

[AceJack]

He will get more flak than he deserves, but coming out saying he deserves a bumper contract after the last few games invites scorn. He’s almost certainly a decent bloke, just very limited and has ridden his luck. There are worse, but he’s not really a fit for us after we’ve admittedly been spoiled (for those who hark back to the terrible things we’ve seen in the past, why not instead hark back to 2007-2013...our frame of reference should be aspirational).

I think more likely is a far worse outcome. He is for some reason a press ‘golden boy’ with the full myth around him. Sky still go on about us being a footballing team despite every single match they broadcast showing the opposite.

So the worse more likely outcome. He gets a new contract ant is sacked and paid off at Xmas when we’re scuffing around the arse end of the table, or with crowds back to let him know what they think of his hoof and hope.

I'm not defending him but he never said he deserves a bumper contract. That was just team talk making stuff up.

On a side note I have read several comments on Twitter today about how the owners have let him down. Again, not defending them but they have backed him heavily with some ofhis signings. Cooper had plenty of time to get a Number 9 in he can blame everyone else all he wants but the blame on that sits firmly in his court. He hung his summer hat around Brewster and never had a plan B

The lack of a striker is such a convenient excuse though.

There's no reason why he couldn't have reshuffled the formation yesterday after 70 minutes. Bringing Naughton or Bennett off for a wide player and sicking Ayew in the centre would've been better than just hoofing and hoping for the last 20.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Put Ayew and Routledge the rest of the season.

What on earth would Ayew bring to that role?

Dear God.

I’m as frustrated as anyone about the performances - they’ve been shapeless for pretty much all season.

Our issues, though, are the players. They’re simply not good enough to achieve an automatic promotion from this division. We were over achieving for most of this season because we were using a system that led to clean sheets and even with our lack of creativity we could nick an odd goal, and it’s come to an end.

Our problems are crystal clear. Our distribution from our back line is shocking. Bennett is as bad a passer of a football as I’ve seen. That leads to our midfield getting too close to them to receive it without a calamity (particularly Grimes who drops so deep we effectively play with a back 6) leaving acres of space between them and the front line. The front line can’t hold up a ball for ten seconds so we never hold it for long enough to allow the midfield to catch up and they don’t have the creativity to create anything for themselves. We have no width as our full backs only work as wingbacks (neither of them are really any good in a back 4) so we have no creativity on the wide midfield either.

We have sold everyone who’s any good for the past few years but haven’t managed to get rid of Ayew whose wages cripple us.

And we have people who think they can spot a player or who put commercial activity before being any good,

There’s lots about Cooper that’s frustrating but he’s dealing with a bang average set of options. I’m not convinced any manager could get more than play offs from this lot.

 

[Pontyjack]

He will get more flak than he deserves, but coming out saying he deserves a bumper contract after the last few games invites scorn. He’s almost certainly a decent bloke, just very limited and has ridden his luck. There are worse, but he’s not really a fit for us after we’ve admittedly been spoiled (for those who hark back to the terrible things we’ve seen in the past, why not instead hark back to 2007-2013...our frame of reference should be aspirational).

I think more likely is a far worse outcome. He is for some reason a press ‘golden boy’ with the full myth around him. Sky still go on about us being a footballing team despite every single match they broadcast showing the opposite.

So the worse more likely outcome. He gets a new contract ant is sacked and paid off at Xmas when we’re scuffing around the arse end of the table, or with crowds back to let him know what they think of his hoof and hope.

I'm not defending him but he never said he deserves a bumper contract. That was just team talk making stuff up.

On a side note I have read several comments on Twitter today about how the owners have let him down. Again, not defending them but they have backed him heavily with some ofhis signings. Cooper had plenty of time to get a Number 9 in he can blame everyone else all he wants but the blame on that sits firmly in his court. He hung his summer hat around Brewster and never had a plan B

Where does Andy Scott fit in all this? He’s in charge of recruitment, so would have thought the blame should largely sit with him. Not saying Cooper hasn’t got a key role in all this - he clearly has - but we shouldn’t let Scott off the hook either The signing of two not match fit Americans in non priority positions (particularly Arriola) said a lot to me.

 

[monmouth]

The lack of a striker is such a convenient excuse

Even if we had Pukki or Toney we would spend the game hoofing the ball at and over him with the flat 3 midfield 30 yards away standing and watching ‘in shape’.

 

[ThurrockJack]

Maybe England Under 21’s will sack Boothroyd over the weekend and appoint Cooper on Tuesday

Best case scenario, get rid of Coops and don't have to pay compensation. Use the remaining games to bed in a new manager for next season. People will point out that we are still up there but I think it is incredibly unlikely we will go up this season and even if we did, do you really want to see the results of Cooperball in the Prem next season?

 

[monmouth]

I'm not defending him but he never said he deserves a bumper contract. That was just team talk making stuff up.

On a side note I have read several comments on Twitter today about how the owners have let him down. Again, not defending them but they have backed him heavily with some ofhis signings. Cooper had plenty of time to get a Number 9 in he can blame everyone else all he wants but the blame on that sits firmly in his court. He hung his summer hat around Brewster and never had a plan B

Where does Andy Scott fit in all this? He’s in charge of recruitment, so would have thought the blame should largely sit with him. Not saying Cooper hasn’t got a key role in all this - he clearly has - but we shouldn’t let Scott off the hook either The signing of two not match fit Americans in non priority positions (particularly Arriola) said a lot to me.

The two Americans would have been ordered up straight from DC central, not Scott. I think Scott’s job is simple, spot young assets that will appreciate for future sell on. Getting them into a functioning team is the manager’s job. Lisa is right that we have a few that can hardly pass a football, but that in itself is a damning indictment of two years of ‘coaching’. Also, of course, the team passed fine under Potter but lacked defensive steel.