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[Captain_Sham]

They don’t. Youre thinking of Gwynedd and Anglesey - Clwyd is like a northern Monmouthshire quite anglicized

I was talking about North Wales in general and that they speak a more correct form of Welsh there. I lived in North Wales for years. Worked in Mold and Buckley. You have missed the point entirely, and are talking utter shyt, as usual.

 

[Captain_Sham]

A nice little summary here. Co -Pilot is quite extrordinary. All I did was ask it to compare and contrast the differences between how Welsh is spoken North and South Wales . I noted with hilarity that the final summary(Cultural Identity) was almost exactly what I wrote in my original post.
The Welsh language, or Cymraeg, has two major regional dialects: North Welsh and South Welsh. While the written language remains largely consistent, the spoken forms differ significantly in pronunciation, vocabulary, and grammar.

Overview: North vs. South Welsh

Feature​	North Welsh (Gog)​	South Welsh (Hwntw)​
Pronunciation	Shorter vowels, rolled “r” sounds	Longer vowels, softer consonants
Vocabulary	Uses words like rwan (now), efo (with)	Uses nawr (now), gyda (with)
Grammar	Prefers short verb forms (Dwi’n mynd)	Uses long verb forms (Rydw i’n mynd)
Idioms & Phrases	Unique expressions like Fel y dyn lloerig	Distinct idioms, often more anglicized
Influence	More conservative, closer to literary Welsh	More influenced by English and Wenglish

Pronunciation Differences

• Vowels:
  • “u” in North Welsh sounds like “i” in sit
  • In South Welsh, it sounds like “ee” in see
• Consonants:
  • North Welsh often pronounces s as “sh” (e.g., ysgol becomes ushgol)
  • South Welsh retains the “s” sound

Vocabulary Examples

English​	North Welsh​	South Welsh​
Now	rwan	nawr
Yes	ie	ia
With	efo	gyda
Rabbit	cwningen	cwning
Apple	afal	afallen

Grammar Variations

• Verb Forms:
  • North: Dwi’n mynd (I’m going)
  • South: Rydw i’n mynd (I’m going)
• Future Tense:
  • North: Bydda i (I will be)
  • South: Byddaf i (I will be)

Cultural Identity

These dialects reflect deep regional identities:

• North Welsh is often seen as more traditional and closer to classical Welsh.
• South Welsh tends to be more dynamic and influenced by urban life and English.