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[Captain_Sham]

They don’t. Youre thinking of Gwynedd and Anglesey - Clwyd is like a northern Monmouthshire quite anglicized

I was talking about North Wales in general and that they speak a more correct form of Welsh there. I lived in North Wales for years. Worked in Mold and Buckley. You have missed the point entirely, and are talking utter shyt, as usual.

 

[Captain_Sham]

A nice little summary here. Co -Pilot is quite extrordinary. All I did was ask it to compare and contrast the differences between how Welsh is spoken North and South Wales . I noted with hilarity that the final summary(Cultural Identity) was almost exactly what I wrote in my original post.
The Welsh language, or Cymraeg, has two major regional dialects: North Welsh and South Welsh. While the written language remains largely consistent, the spoken forms differ significantly in pronunciation, vocabulary, and grammar.

Overview: North vs. South Welsh

Feature​	North Welsh (Gog)​	South Welsh (Hwntw)​
Pronunciation	Shorter vowels, rolled “r” sounds	Longer vowels, softer consonants
Vocabulary	Uses words like rwan (now), efo (with)	Uses nawr (now), gyda (with)
Grammar	Prefers short verb forms (Dwi’n mynd)	Uses long verb forms (Rydw i’n mynd)
Idioms & Phrases	Unique expressions like Fel y dyn lloerig	Distinct idioms, often more anglicized
Influence	More conservative, closer to literary Welsh	More influenced by English and Wenglish

Pronunciation Differences

• Vowels:
  • “u” in North Welsh sounds like “i” in sit
  • In South Welsh, it sounds like “ee” in see
• Consonants:
  • North Welsh often pronounces s as “sh” (e.g., ysgol becomes ushgol)
  • South Welsh retains the “s” sound

Vocabulary Examples

English​	North Welsh​	South Welsh​
Now	rwan	nawr
Yes	ie	ia
With	efo	gyda
Rabbit	cwningen	cwning
Apple	afal	afallen

Grammar Variations

• Verb Forms:
  • North: Dwi’n mynd (I’m going)
  • South: Rydw i’n mynd (I’m going)
• Future Tense:
  • North: Bydda i (I will be)
  • South: Byddaf i (I will be)

Cultural Identity

These dialects reflect deep regional identities:

• North Welsh is often seen as more traditional and closer to classical Welsh.
• South Welsh tends to be more dynamic and influenced by urban life and English.

 

[Pontyjack]

I’m a South Walian Welsh first language speaker, and I’ve never heard of, let alone used, “cwning” and “afallen” but would use the “North Wales” words instead. I’ve also never used “ia” for yes. Bit sceptical about that piece if I’m honest.

 

[Captain_Sham]

I’m a South Walian Welsh first language speaker, and I’ve never heard of, let alone used, “cwning” and “afallen” but would use the “North Wales” words instead. I’ve also never used “ia” for yes. Bit sceptical about that piece if I’m honest.

I suggest you take it up with co-pilot. AI is notorious for getting things wrong. I literally told you how i got that answer. I typed one sentence into copilot. Its not meant to be definitive, but illustratory of a difference between North and South Wales and the way the language varies. One persons experience doesnt shift things either way. Neither yours nor mine.

 

[Glyn1]

I did Latin to O level. Never thought I'd ever use it but last year, at the age of 72, I had my first tattoo done in Latin!

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum ?

 

[Captain_Sham]

Its rididulous how these threads get blown off course over nitpickings and semantics. My whole point has been Wrexham are just as Welsh as we are. They also sang Hymns and Arias since the 70s. While they may not be a bigger club than us yet, they could well be soon, and they will probably get to the Premier League. They are probably in a similar spot we were in when Roberto got us up, but with with far brighter commercial prospects. Im going to leave it there. Its exhausting trying make any kind of observations on this forum.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Its rididulous how these threads get blown off course over nitpickings and semantics. My whole point has been Wrexham are just as Welsh as we are. They also sang Hymns and Arias since the 70s. While they may not be a bigger club than us yet, they could well be soon, and they will probably get to the Premier League. They are probably in a similar spot we were in when Roberto got us up, but with with far brighter commercial prospects. Im going to leave it there. Its exhausting trying make any kind of observations on this forum.

You’ll also never see any union jack rags in their ground either.

 

[ajacks]

I’m a South Walian Welsh first language speaker, and I’ve never heard of, let alone used, “cwning” and “afallen” but would use the “North Wales” words instead. I’ve also never used “ia” for yes. Bit sceptical about that piece if I’m honest.

Same... proper welsh pfft cer o ma

 

[MrSwerve]

Grown men mind.

 

[Jack2jack]

Grown men mind.

It's how some roll on here, opinions and free thinking are frowned upon.