Graham Potter

[Dr. Winston]

Potter is a manager from era that isn't relative in footballl any longer.

His philosophy or style of playing the game was, has been found out ages ago. He doesn't know how to adapt to influence or change the outcome of a game.

Perhaps an element of truth to that.

There does seem to be a schism between the true believers in Pep (like Russy, or maybe Potter), and those who would move the game on to a point where it's entertaining again.

A spell abroad refinding himself might do him some good.

 

[Smurph]

Perhaps an element of truth to that.

There does seem to be a schism between the true believers in Pep (like Russy, or maybe Potter), and those who would move the game on to a point where it's entertaining again.

A spell abroad refinding himself might do him some good.

The game has evolved, the like of Pep and Potter haven't or can't. I don't include Wuss in that bracket because he's a joke.

There is no way in this life or the next that Pep would or could achieve anything in the world of football that Klopp did at Dortmund or Liverpool (he re awoke a beast at Liverpool).

 

[Dr. Winston]

I would tend to agree.

Guardiola hasn't really achieved much in football without a collosal budget and/or Lionel Messi to help him out. Certainly he doesn't seem to have many answers to recent developments from the likes of Klopp and Slot, although time may make a fool out of that statement.

I just want football to kick itself out of the idea that it can all be distilled down to numbers. Excessive statistical analysis and implementation has made the game dull beyond belief. I long for the days of a Bergkamp, a Le Tissier, a Zola. Just people who went out and won games with flair and fun.

 

[Frankie Burrows Cap]

Of course that's why he failed to get us in the play offs , with a 20 goal a season striker (Mcburnie) and Dan James in the team. Couldn't make his mind up about his goalkeeper , and kept picking that buffoon Nordfelt. With the squad at his disposal he should have had us at least in the play offs. Seriously underachieved here.

Bit harsh that IMO

It was the same Dan James who couldn’t get a game on loan at Shrewsbury. Over half the team had never played a full season at Championship level. They made the club close to £60million pretty much based on that one season.

His two first choice centre halves were sold after the first league game and he wasn’t allowed to play Dyer or Routledge for months of the season.

We also outplayed Man City for 60 minutes with Matt Grimes at centre half and would have won if it wasn’t for two poor decisions from the officials.

The goalkeeper situation I agree entirely with. That definitely cost us 5-10 points and if the recruitment guy he brought in was responsible for the incomings then Potter takes some responsibility for the little money (in comparison to how much came in) we had being spent very poorly.

Did he make mistakes, 100% yes. But he was exactly what the young players needed in that first season.

 

[Smurph]

What has Potter achieved in the English pyramid since coming over from Scandiniava?

 

[Smurph]

Bit harsh that IMO

It was the same Dan James who couldn’t get a game on loan at Shrewsbury. Over half the team had never played a full season at Championship level. They made the club close to £60million pretty much based on that one season.

His two first choice centre halves were sold after the first league game and he wasn’t allowed to play Dyer or Routledge for months of the season.

We also outplayed Man City for 60 minutes with Matt Grimes at centre half and would have won if it wasn’t for two poor decisions from the officials.

The goalkeeper situation I agree entirely with. That definitely cost us 5-10 points and if the recruitment guy he brought in was responsible for the incomings then Potter takes some responsibility for the little money (in comparison to how much came in) we had being spent very poorly.

Did he make mistakes, 100% yes. But he was exactly what the young players needed in that first season.

Potter was the beginning of this tippy tappy "Swansea Way" bullsihit.

With what was at his disposal he massively underachieved with that he had in terms f playing squad,

 

[FearOfAJackPlanet]

What has Potter achieved in the English pyramid since coming over from Scandiniava?

About 20 million quid in pay offs .

 

[Smurph]

About 20 million quid in pay offs .

Exactly, another one up there with Wussell.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

I just want football to kick itself out of the idea that it can all be distilled down to numbers. Excessive statistical analysis and implementation has made the game dull beyond belief. I long for the days of a Bergkamp, a Le Tissier, a Zola. Just people who went out and won games with flair and fun.

It's the American ownership influence that has caused this.

In their sports like baseball, NFL and whatnot you can reduce them to numbers because they are sports that don't have that many variables, they are mostly made up of set plays/bursts of action. It works in those sports. You can get an edge.

Football isn't like that. It's utterly random, a lot of the time. Take the PSG v Liverpool 1st leg last season. On every metric imaginable PSG won that game. Except they didn't, in reality they lost 1-0. And smash and grabs like that happen all the time.

Like you, I'm really hoping that we're gradually heading into a cycle where 'systems and structures' football is being phased out, and individuals are being trusted more to win games. Look how well Grealish is doing again now he's freed from Pep's stifling tactics.

 

[Smurph]

It's the American ownership influence that has caused this.

In their sports like baseball, NFL and whatnot you can reduce them to numbers because they are sports that don't have that many variables, they are mostly made up of set plays/bursts of action. It works in those sports. You can get an edge.

Football isn't like that. It's utterly random, a lot of the time. Take the PSG v Liverpool 1st leg last season. On every metric imaginable PSG won that game. Except they didn't, in reality they lost 1-0. And smash and grabs like that happen all the time.

Like you, I'm really hoping that we're gradually heading into a cycle where 'systems and structures' football is being phased out, and individuals are being trusted more to win games. Look how well Grealish is doing again now he's freed from Pep's stifling tactics.

I can see the word "Process"being banned from football speak sooner rather than later.

 

[Dr. Winston]

It's the American ownership influence that has caused this.

In their sports like baseball, NFL and whatnot you can reduce them to numbers because they are sports that don't have that many variables, they are mostly made up of set plays/bursts of action. It works in those sports. You can get an edge.

Football isn't like that. It's utterly random, a lot of the time. Take the PSG v Liverpool 1st leg last season. On every metric imaginable PSG won that game. Except they didn't, in reality they lost 1-0. And smash and grabs like that happen all the time.

Like you, I'm really hoping that we're gradually heading into a cycle where 'systems and structures' football is being phased out, and individuals are being trusted more to win games. Look how well Grealish is doing again now he's freed from Pep's stifling tactics.

I agree that it has a lot to do with it, although perhaps not totally.

Guardiola has been successful at three clubs, none of which have had American ownership. I do concur with the idea that clubs owned by Americans have tried to follow his example, but Europeans are just as open to the same kind of stuff as long as success follows it.

We just need a sustained period where teams who have bought into this bullshit don't win anything for it to be done away with.

 

[Frankie Burrows Cap]

Potter was the beginning of this tippy tappy "Swansea Way" bullsihit.

With what was at his disposal he massively underachieved with that he had in terms f playing squad,

I hear the second part a lot but the facts about the squad don’t bare that out.

His 2 keepers (who he wrongly chopped and changed) are the worst keepers (apart from Fisher) we’ve had since relegation.

Roberts, Rodon, James & McBurnie (who obviously went on to make the club loads of money had never played at that level for a full season - plus Rodon was injured for half the year). Before Xmas people were slagging Dan James off, saying he wasn’t up to it.

His main midfield options were Grimes, Byers & Fulton!

Van Der Hoorn had a very good season but that was his level looking at his career before and after.

People mention Fer, Olson, Routledge & Dyer but none played more than 25 league games (15,13,22,18)

Baker Richardson was the second choice striker and the likes of Declan John, Joel Asoro, Barrie McKay & Cian Harris started league games.

The current squad still have a lot to prove but it looks miles better on paper than what we had in 18-19 (arguably so were quite a few in the period between).

 

[Smurph]

I hear the second part a lot but the facts about the squad don’t bare that out.

His 2 keepers (who he wrongly chopped and changed) are the worst keepers (apart from Fisher) we’ve had since relegation.

Roberts, Rodon, James & McBurnie (who obviously went on to make the club loads of money had never played at that level for a full season - plus Rodon was injured for half the year). Before Xmas people were slagging Dan James off, saying he wasn’t up to it.

His main midfield options were Grimes, Byers & Fulton!

Van Der Hoorn had a very good season but that was his level looking at his career before and after.

People mention Fer, Olson, Routledge & Dyer but none played more than 25 league games (15,13,22,18)

Baker Richardson was the second choice striker and the likes of Declan John, Joel Asoro, Barrie McKay & Cian Harris started league games.

The current squad still have a lot to prove but it looks miles better on paper than what we had in 18-19 (arguably so were quite a few in the period between).

That's a very pragmatic way of looking at things. Ultimately he had a far better squad at his disposal than her utilised.

 

[Frankie Burrows Cap]

That's a very pragmatic way of looking at things. Ultimately he had a far better squad at his disposal than her utilised.

We’ll agree to disagree on the strength of the squad.

In terms of what he achieved with them then he was the reason our keepers cost us 5-10 points but IMO he was also the main reason other players (especially the younger ones) massively over performed expectations and in some cases got their big moves.

Getting 65 points, 12 home wins, regularly scoring 3 at home post Xmas I felt he did far more right than wrong.

 

[Smurph]

We’ll agree to disagree on the strength of the squad.

In terms of what he achieved with them then he was the reason our keepers cost us 5-10 points but IMO he was also the main reason other players (especially the younger ones) massively over performed expectations and in some cases got their big moves.

Getting 65 points, 12 home wins, regularly scoring 3 at home post Xmas I felt he did far more right than wrong.

His reluctance to one keeper and stick with his choice probably clouds my judgement of him. It;s like he was trying to make his name as some progressive inventor of the game of football.

I think you're right about me being over critical of him during the season he was with us. I just can't stand what he represents in terms of how the game is played.