DOF

[monmouth]

Thing is if the majority of your posts are negative people will start dismissing them. There are a select few on here that never have anything good to say and it’s easy to spot.

On the coaches thing I don’t know the actual numbers of coaches by teams. But the dugouts have grown year by year as the game has got more professional. I doubt we’re an outlier in this at all.

And what do you actually expect the leadership of the club to say to someone outside of the club in that situation? They’re not going to be saying anything negative publicly that’s how it will be in any team or any company.

To be fair to that poster, the majority of their posts aren’t negative.

All of them are.

 

[magicdaps10]

Ok people, what type of DOF would you like to see and any suggestions in personal?

Could read regards DOF on the sticky at the top that was posted today

 

[magicdaps10]

You seem shocked that on a fan forum fans are going to defend their team. People come here because they enjoy watching the Swans play football and they want to talk about it.

Yes things this season started really bad, but it’s starting to turn a corner. People can see that and are getting excited by it.

I just don’t see what value you get out of following a team if you’re going to be consistently negative about them. Do you want to be proven right and watch us fail?

Things didn't start out bad, it was steady and then got worse which ultimately ended with Sheehan losing his job.
Things certainly have a more positive feel especially in the way the new board are being proactive which is so refreshing. I started the thread in light of the words that suggested that a DOF with football knowledge and experience was being sought and time would be taken to get the correct person in.....it's opened up the conversation especially if rumours that a poster spoke to owners and people within the club who have suggested something different in regards to DOF that was suggested at the fans forum.
Hopefully they stick to the plan of an experienced DOF who knows how things work and hopefully haven't been persuaded differently off the back of a few good results.

I think an experienced knowledgeable DOF is a must for us to progress and give valuable insight to a very proactive group of owners.

 

[Mamaswan]

Things didn't start out bad, it was steady and then got worse which ultimately ended with Sheehan losing his job.
Things certainly have a more positive feel especially in the way the new board are being proactive which is so refreshing. I started the thread in light of the words that suggested that a DOF with football knowledge and experience was being sought and time would be taken to get the correct person in.....it's opened up the conversation especially if rumours that a poster spoke to owners and people within the club who have suggested something different in regards to DOF that was suggested at the fans forum.
Hopefully they stick to the plan of an experienced DOF who knows how things work and hopefully haven't been persuaded differently off the back of a few good results.

I think an experienced knowledgeable DOF is a must for us to progress and give valuable insight to a very proactive group of owners.

Hang on now. What have I said thats different? Number 1 - not a rumour. I was part of the discussion.

Nothing has changed from what was said in the forum. Zero. You seem to have a problem with me and I cant figure out why? This isn't the first time is it? This thread is a classic example. You pounced saying my original post earlier on was a contradiction when I hadnt said sod all?

I don’t know where you are getting the idea that the plan has changed. They are still looking for a DoF and whoever the DoF is, by the nature of the job, will need to have had experience in football. But there is no rush, just like they said in the forum, the club is ticking along and improving nicely.

Please dont make a drama and stir up negativity. Theres no need mun.

 

[magicdaps10]

Hang on now. What have I said thats different? Number 1 - not a rumour. I was part of the discussion.

Nothing has changed from what was said in the forum. Zero. You seem to have a problem with me and I cant figure out why? This isn't the first time is it? This thread is a classic example. You pounced saying my original post earlier on was a contradiction when I hadnt said sod all?

I don’t know where you are getting the idea that the plan has changed. They are still looking for a DoF and whoever the DoF is, by the nature of the job, will need to have had experience in football. But there is no rush, just like they said in the forum, the club is ticking along and improving nicely.

Please dont make a drama and stir up negativity. Theres no need mun.

I have no issues with you, none at all.
The suggestion at the forum was the DOF would over see the whole recruitment but you are stating the discussion didn't suggest that?
I'm just trying to give my view and ultimately my opinion that the club needs some experience and guidance.....that's far from being negative and creating dramatics! I want to see us be strong with an appointment that can eradicate previous mistakes and push on and make us stronger.
I would not agree that it's ticking along and improving though.....the foundation and pro active approach from the owners certainly gives hope that it can be done with the right foundations in place including a DOF who can oversee important areas in the club and ones that need improvement to allow us to grow.

They need to get the right people in place as currently that doesn't seem to be the case with some calls already failed and additions not at levels that should be expected.

 

[Mamaswan]

I have no issues with you, none at all.
The suggestion at the forum was the DOF would over see the whole recruitment but you are stating the discussion didn't suggest that?
I'm just trying to give my view and ultimately my opinion that the club needs some experience and guidance.....that's far from being negative and creating dramatic! I want to see us be strong with an appointment that can enhance previous mistakes and push on and make us stronger.
I would not agree that it's ticking along and improving though.....the foundation and pro active approach from the owners certainly gives hope that it can be done with the right foundations in place including a DOF who can oversee important areas in the club and ones that need improvement to allow us to grow.

They need to get the right people in place as currently that doesn't seem to be the case with some calls already failed and additions not at levels that should be expected.

Ok. I am not prolonging this particular discussion. Its boring for others. I am seeing improvements and happy to watch this long term plan play out. You arent. Your choice.

These guys are serious about giving 100% and let's face it - protecting their investment.

Leaving it there now.

 

[Risc]

I have no issues with you, none at all.
The suggestion at the forum was the DOF would over see the whole recruitment but you are stating the discussion didn't suggest that?
I'm just trying to give my view and ultimately my opinion that the club needs some experience and guidance.....that's far from being negative and creating dramatics! I want to see us be strong with an appointment that can eradicate previous mistakes and push on and make us stronger.
I would not agree that it's ticking along and improving though.....the foundation and pro active approach from the owners certainly gives hope that it can be done with the right foundations in place including a DOF who can oversee important areas in the club and ones that need improvement to allow us to grow.

They need to get the right people in place as currently that doesn't seem to be the case with some calls already failed and additions not at levels that should be expected.

That was never suggested at the forum you’ve made that up unfortunately Daps.

 

[magicdaps10]

Ok. I am not prolonging this particular discussion. Its boring for others. I am seeing improvements and happy to watch this long term plan play out. You arent. Your choice.

These guys are serious about giving 100% and let's face it - protecting their investment.

Leaving it there now.

I am more than happy to watch how it plays out but there are clearly issues in areas that could easily trouble us.
Hopefully a DOF comes in from outside(with experience in the field) and is in full control of areas that a DOF should be in control of.

 

[magicdaps10]

That was never suggested at the forum you’ve made that up unfortunately Daps.

What was suggested at the Forum,Risc?

I should have put overseen the recruitment team. I just read back and what I wrote does suggest that they would over see the whole recruitment which isn't the case.

 

[Risc]

What was suggested at the Forum,Risc?

I should have put overseen the recruitment team. I just read back and what I wrote does suggest that they would over see the whole recruitment which isn't the case.

We had one and now he’s in league two. The recruitment at present is looking decent, problem we have, and I’m guilty of it as well, we write off players too early coming into a complete different country and league.

Sheehan was an issue but now the players are starting to impress.

It was suggested a new technical director was coming in I believe, as the poster said above I believe they are happy with recruitment set up as it is. Whether someone will come in to help negotiations etc I don’t know, not sure what their job will be if I’m being honest it seems an odd one.

 

[SwanseaBoy123]

To be fair to that poster, the majority of their posts aren’t negative.

All of them are.

Survivorship bias.

 

[magicdaps10]

Well

We had one and now he’s in league two. The recruitment at present is looking decent, problem we have, and I’m guilty of it as well, we write off players too early coming into a complete different country and league.

Sheehan was an issue but now the players are starting to impress.

It was suggested a new technical director was coming in I believe, as the poster said above I believe they are happy with recruitment set up as it is. Whether someone will come in to help negotiations etc I don’t know, not sure what their job will be if I’m being honest it seems an odd one.

For me, I believe we need a proper experienced DOF in place, a DOF who does what a DOF football is meant to do. The owners need to go down this route, it needs to be thorough and then put their faith in that person to oversee all things football and be their go to.

These owners seem to want to make a right go of it and they need to have someone with the expertise, experience and understanding of running a football club.
The new guy obviously needs to be in tune with how the club needs to go, as well as be aware of our history when it comes to playing football. They need to be involved in recruitment, if that is being involved or overseeing the stages then it needs to be the case otherwise he would only be a DOF in title alone. People can't be saying we are league leaders in things especially when we are not seeing the results(performances) on the pitch.

 

[SwanseaBoy123]

Well

For me, I believe we need a proper experienced DOF in place, a DOF who does what a DOF football is meant to do. The owners need to go down this route, it needs to be thorough and then put their faith in that person to oversee all things football and be their go to.

These owners seem to want to make a right go of it and they need to have someone with the expertise, experience and understanding of running a football club.
The new guy obviously needs to be in tune with how the club needs to go, as well as be aware of our history when it comes to playing football. They need to be involved in recruitment, if that is being involved or overseeing the stages then it needs to be the case otherwise he would only be a DOF in title alone. People can't be saying we are league leaders in things especially when we are not seeing the results(performances) on the pitch.

100% agree.

 

[Vetchonian]

Well

For me, I believe we need a proper experienced DOF in place, a DOF who does what a DOF football is meant to do. The owners need to go down this route, it needs to be thorough and then put their faith in that person to oversee all things football and be their go to.

These owners seem to want to make a right go of it and they need to have someone with the expertise, experience and understanding of running a football club.
The new guy obviously needs to be in tune with how the club needs to go, as well as be aware of our history when it comes to playing football. They need to be involved in recruitment, if that is being involved or overseeing the stages then it needs to be the case otherwise he would only be a DOF in title alone. People can't be saying we are league leaders in things especially when we are not seeing the results(performances) on the pitch.

So what does a DoF do?
Until Leon was appointed Sporting Director under Trevor Birch we as a club hadnt had an official DoF .
In my time supporting the Swans Ive seen us climb from relection to the top tier fall back down the leagues,endure a high court winding up, win some minor cups get to okay off finals, be one game from dropping out of the league then rising to seven seasons in the PL winning a major trophy and all without a DoF or personnel at the running the club with any football experience apart from being fans and maybe some local leage playing experience.
It is amazing how it is said there is no one at the club with football experience yet our CEO has been in employed in football all his working life and had 3 years experience as a football club CEO before he joined us ....more than a certian previous CEO who oversaw our rise to the PL and is now overseeing Newport County falling out of the league.
Maybe we just need to let the manager/head coach select players like they did in the good old days

 

[magicdaps10]

So what does a DoF do?
Until Leon was appointed Sporting Director under Trevor Birch we as a club hadnt had an official DoF .
In my time supporting the Swans Ive seen us climb from relection to the top tier fall back down the leagues,endure a high court winding up, win some minor cups get to okay off finals, be one game from dropping out of the league then rising to seven seasons in the PL winning a major trophy and all without a DoF or personnel at the running the club with any football experience apart from being fans and maybe some local leage playing experience.
It is amazing how it is said there is no one at the club with football experience yet our CEO has been in employed in football all his working life and had 3 years experience as a football club CEO before he joined us ....more than a certian previous CEO who oversaw our rise to the PL and is now overseeing Newport County falling out of the league.
Maybe we just need to let the manager/head coach select players like they did in the good old days

Do you know what Vetch, I would love the manager and the staff find and suggest players but unfortunately football has outgrown that way a long time ago. Football has grown and recruitment is now a world wide thing and the time and effort is too much for the management team.