Melker Widell

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

There is no way you can form an opinion on the structure of a deal.

No, which is why I don't. That's too intricate. Ultimately we have to pay whether its up front or spread.

 

[Smurph]

So in summary, bigger the fee, bigger the dislike.

 

[Flash]

I have, above. There is a lot of information out there to form an opinion of what we may think a transfer fee maybe.

What do you do when we sign for undisclosed then?

Give it no thought and ignore all rumours and reports?

Translation: I don’t know

 

[TruckerJack]

No, which is why I don't. That's too intricate. Ultimately we have to pay whether its up front or spread.

That’s not correct. I just explained how a reported £5 million fee may only cost the club £2 million.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

So in summary, bigger the fee, bigger the dislike.

Not necessarily. If we'd paid a much bigger fee than we did for Galbraith for example it would still have been a great signing because he has performed.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

Translation: I don’t know

But am capable of forming an opinion.

 

[TruckerJack]

Not necessarily. If we'd paid a much bigger fee than we did for Galbraith for example it would still have been a great signing because he has performed.

You still don’t know what we paid for him either though. Could have been double, maybe triple. He may have a 100% sell on.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

That’s not correct. I just explained how a reported £5 million fee may only cost the club £2 million.

You're talking about clauses, not structures.

This is why you look at as whole a picture as you can and ask questions like, would the selling club accept a clause that would be pretty unobtainable? No probably not.

Would Celtic for example let us but Idah for 500k but we pay them another 6mill if he scored 30 goals this season? All logic days no.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

You still don’t know what we paid for him either though. Could have been double, maybe triple. He may have a 100% sell on.

And even then its looking a good deal because of the level of his performance.

 

[Flash]

But am capable of forming an opinion.

A premature incomplete opinion based on flawed data

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

A premature incomplete opinion based on flawed data

Its the current opinion based on the information available at the time.

If performances improve, the opinion will change.

 

[TruckerJack]

You're talking about clauses, not structures.

This is why you look at as whole a picture as you can and ask questions like, would the selling club accept a clause that would be pretty unobtainable? No probably not.

Would Celtic for example let us but Idah for 500k but we pay them another 6mill if he scored 30 goals this season? All logic days no.

That is what a structure is, you may be referring to amortisation.

How do you know what Celtic paid? They may have had a structure which only cost them £2 million with the rest on clauses.

So if we offered them £2 million with another £4 million on clauses (which you then report as £6 million), why wouldn’t they accept?

 

[TruckerJack]

A premature incomplete opinion based on flawed data

Exactly.

1. Has the player contributed to making us a mid-table side? If yes then the signing is a decent one as that’s what we are as a club.

2. Has the player shown that he is capable of pushing us even further up the table? If so then that’s a great signing.

3. Has the signing made us worse? If so then that’s a poor signing.

Benson I think is the only player that made us worse when he stepped on the pitch who wasn’t an obvious understudy, the rest are either back ups, contributing to us being a safe mid table side or showing signs of being upper championship/premier league players.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

That is what a structure is, you may be referring to amortisation.

How do you know what Celtic paid? They may have had a structure which only cost them £2 million with the rest on clauses.

So if we offered them £2 million with another £4 million on clauses (which you then report as £6 million), why wouldn’t they accept?

A structure would be a club pays a set amount at set intervals no matter of what happens following the transfer.

A clause (the one you are referring to) would be when a club pays extra in future but only when certain agreed milestones are achieved.

Depends on what the clauses are as I explained previously. I don't see Celtic or anyone else realistically agreeing to a clause for a milestones that'll never probably be met.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

Exactly.

1. Has the player contributed to making us a mid-table side? If yes then the signing is a decent one as that’s what we are as a club.

2. Has the player shown that he is capable of pushing us even further up the table? If so then that’s a great signing.

3. Has the signing made us worse? If so then that’s a poor signing.

Benson I think is the only player that made us worse when he stepped on the pitch who wasn’t an obvious understudy, the rest are either back ups, contributing to us being a safe mid table side or showing signs of being upper championship/premier league players.

See, you are capable of critical thought, so dont pretend you dont think about things but then criticise others for doing so.