29th March?

[exiledclaseboy]

Especially when the briefing to the press all weekend has been “data not dates”.

BoJo has quite carefully used the term "not before" when talking dates, to be fair

Yes indeed. But all anyone’s going to hear is 21 June. And they know that too.

 

[PSumbler]

BoJo has quite carefully used the term "not before" when talking dates, to be fair

Yes indeed. But all anyone’s going to hear is 21 June. And they know that too.

Of course they do and almost all the media are latching onto "normality by 21 June"

 

[exiledclaseboy]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/feb/22/no-spectators-at-sporting-venues-in-england-until-17-may-at-earliest-covid-19

 

[Lifelong]

Especially when the briefing to the press all weekend has been “data not dates”.

BoJo has quite carefully used the term "not before" when talking dates, to be fair

The Welsh Assembly are saying similar, ‘this may happen in 3 weeks and that may happen 3 weeks later’

 

[jacabertawe]

BoJo has quite carefully used the term "not before" when talking dates, to be fair

The Welsh Assembly are saying similar, ‘this may happen in 3 weeks and that may happen 3 weeks later’

Not the "Welsh Assembly" now, of course, but the Government statement is here:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/big-differences-between-how-wales-19889714

 

[Badlands]

I'm clearly missing something here. With every vulnerable adult vaccinated by mid june, why the fck wouldn't footy grounds be fully open by August? Even now the data is all positive , why are some doubting that'll change come June ?

Because the vaccines aren't 100% effective, increasing evidence that they reduce symptoms in many but they are still infected and infectious, new strains are developing which may or may not be treated with current vaccines. Infection rates have fallen dramatically in recent weeks but new infections are still around double what they were at the height of the first lockdown. Other countries that have not commandeered vaccines but have gone into lockdown have seen similar reductions. Social distancing the main reason for this, not the vaccine. Despite all the big numbers Johnson and Hancock have been boasting about for weeks there are still something like 46 million yet to receive the first dose and 66 million who have not received 2 doses.
Just like all the bo*****x about how fantastic and easy brexit would the hyperbole from the Tories has to be viewed with considerable scepticism.

We will also be in a completely different financial position with millions having to deal with increased debt, loss of housing and inflation so full stadiums may take some time.

 

[sainthelens]

I'm clearly missing something here. With every vulnerable adult vaccinated by mid june, why the fck wouldn't footy grounds be fully open by August? Even now the data is all positive , why are some doubting that'll change come June ?

Because the vaccines aren't 100% effective, increasing evidence that they reduce symptoms in many but they are still infected and infectious, new strains are developing which may or may not be treated with current vaccines. Infection rates have fallen dramatically in recent weeks but new infections are still around double what they were at the height of the first lockdown. Other countries that have not commandeered vaccines but have gone into lockdown have seen similar reductions. Social distancing the main reason for this, not the vaccine. Despite all the big numbers Johnson and Hancock have been boasting about for weeks there are still something like 46 million yet to receive the first dose and 66 million who have not received 2 doses.
Just like all the bo*****x about how fantastic and easy brexit would the hyperbole from the Tories has to be viewed with considerable scepticism.

We will also be in a completely different financial position with millions having to deal with increased debt, loss of housing and inflation so full stadiums may take some time.

Some fair points, but once everyone has been vaccinated, then there is no way people will accept anything else than back to normal. And why shouldn't they? If what you say is correct then thers no point in anything anymore. This has to end and with all vulnerable people jabbed by April am struggling to see why June 21st FFS.. Hospitals are not currently overrun even with just 17 million vaccinated, how the fck will it get worse over the next 2 months?

 

[SkipTheJack]

Some fair points, but once everyone has been vaccinated, then there is no way people will accept anything else than back to normal. And why shouldn't they? If what you say is correct then thers no point in anything anymore. This has to end and with all vulnerable people jabbed by April am struggling to see why June 21st FFS.. Hospitals are not currently overrun even with just 17 million vaccinated, how the fck will it get worse over the next 2 months?

It's not about when people are vaccinated though, it's about being able to open up the country without people dying like flies. If we can open schools, shops and restaurants and the hospitalisation rate doesn't head north again then people will return to football stadiums. If the hospitals start to fill up then we won't. But setting firm dates for reopening is completely pointless at the moment, and those Tory MPs who are currently stamping their feet with impatience are making themselves look like idiots. It's about gradual easing of lockdown and keeping eyes glued to the data.

 

[JackSomething]

It's not about when people are vaccinated though, it's about being able to open up the country without people dying like flies. If we can open schools, shops and restaurants and the hospitalisation rate doesn't head north again then people will return to football stadiums. If the hospitals start to fill up then we won't. But setting firm dates for reopening is completely pointless at the moment, and those Tory MPs who are currently stamping their feet with impatience are making themselves look like idiots. It's about gradual easing of lockdown and keeping eyes glued to the data.

Let's compare it to a player returning from a serious injury. Gradual easing of lockdown is equivalent to a player first walking, then running, then non-contact training, then contact training, then possibly playing in reserve matches before coming back to the first team (Not an expert, so feel free to correct this if you know more about it).

Opening everything up immediately upon all the vulnerable people being vaccinated would be like putting Jordan Morris straight back into the first eleven after his ACL heals and skipping all the above steps. It may work out, but you're running a huge risk of setting everything back again. Given what the last year has been like, why would anyone want to risk that?

 

[PSumbler]

It's not about when people are vaccinated though, it's about being able to open up the country without people dying like flies. If we can open schools, shops and restaurants and the hospitalisation rate doesn't head north again then people will return to football stadiums. If the hospitals start to fill up then we won't. But setting firm dates for reopening is completely pointless at the moment, and those Tory MPs who are currently stamping their feet with impatience are making themselves look like idiots. It's about gradual easing of lockdown and keeping eyes glued to the data.

Let's compare it to a player returning from a serious injury. Gradual easing of lockdown is equivalent to a player first walking, then running, then non-contact training, then contact training, then possibly playing in reserve matches before coming back to the first team (Not an expert, so feel free to correct this if you know more about it).

Opening everything up immediately upon all the vulnerable people being vaccinated would be like putting Jordan Morris straight back into the first eleven after his ACL heals and skipping all the above steps. It may work out, but you're running a huge risk of setting everything back again. Given what the last year has been like, why would anyone want to risk that?

What he said

 

[dickythorpe]

It's not about when people are vaccinated though, it's about being able to open up the country without people dying like flies. If we can open schools, shops and restaurants and the hospitalisation rate doesn't head north again then people will return to football stadiums. If the hospitals start to fill up then we won't. But setting firm dates for reopening is completely pointless at the moment, and those Tory MPs who are currently stamping their feet with impatience are making themselves look like idiots. It's about gradual easing of lockdown and keeping eyes glued to the data.

Let's compare it to a player returning from a serious injury. Gradual easing of lockdown is equivalent to a player first walking, then running, then non-contact training, then contact training, then possibly playing in reserve matches before coming back to the first team (Not an expert, so feel free to correct this if you know more about it).

Opening everything up immediately upon all the vulnerable people being vaccinated would be like putting Jordan Morris straight back into the first eleven after his ACL heals and skipping all the above steps. It may work out, but you're running a huge risk of setting everything back again. Given what the last year has been like, why would anyone want to risk that?

Take a bow. Great analogy and common sense

 

[monmouth]

BoJo has quite carefully used the term "not before" when talking dates, to be fair

Yes indeed. But all anyone’s going to hear is 21 June. And they know that too.

My wife's birthday. FFS she's going to want to actually be taken out for once, isn't she?

 

[jacabertawe]

Yes indeed. But all anyone’s going to hear is 21 June. And they know that too.

My wife's birthday. FFS she's going to want to actually be taken out for once, isn't she?

Not if you live in Wales - check the rules here, Johnson speaks for England!

 

[Longlostjack]

Especially when the briefing to the press all weekend has been “data not dates”.

BoJo has quite carefully used the term "not before" when talking dates, to be fair

He probably meant to say "not had her before".

 

[PSumbler]

Was talking to a work colleague today and he said four of his team have asked for 22nd June off because they are planning a night out on 21st...