Coronavirus- new spike coming?

[JackSomething]

450 uk cancer deaths every day, 120 uk suicides every day. Nice of the Govt to completely overlook all that.

And that is the tip of the iceberg, the Covid will be by far the less of the 2 evils probably over a million deaths in the not to distant future mainly due to the stopping of routine procedures and not being able to see a specialist for god knows how long, yet most people do not realize this, they are way to preoccupied with the Covid which could be due to the Covid media brainwashing or quite simply they are to dumb to realize that there is a far bigger ticking timebomb out there.

'Probably over a million deaths'
'Covid media brainwashing'

The fact you call another person an idiot is hilarious.

 

[Humpty]

450 uk cancer deaths every day, 120 uk suicides every day. Nice of the Govt to completely overlook all that.

How many of those people would have died if Covid had never happened? Impossible to answer, so a pointless argument.

All the people I personally know who have ongoing conditions like cancer, including immediate family members, are still receiving treatment and have all through Covid.

I have cancer and I'm currently undergoing chemo. Pre covid the unit was always full, whenever I attended. During covid it was probably about half full, if that. I've recently restarted it after an enforced break due to medical issues and in the one session I've attended it was almost full. Just my experience obviously, I can't say that's how it is elsewhere.

I have enormous sympathy for those who have cancer and can't get chemo. When I was first diagnosed I couldn't start as I was to unwell/underweight. It was horrendous. The thought that there's a treatment available that could save/prolong your life but is denied to you is hard to describe.

 

[Darran]

How many of those people would have died if Covid had never happened? Impossible to answer, so a pointless argument.

All the people I personally know who have ongoing conditions like cancer, including immediate family members, are still receiving treatment and have all through Covid.

I have cancer and I'm currently undergoing chemo. Pre covid the unit was always full, whenever I attended. During covid it was probably about half full, if that. I've recently restarted it after an enforced break due to medical issues and in the one session I've attended it was almost full. Just my experience obviously, I can't say that's how it is elsewhere.

I have enormous sympathy for those who have cancer and can't get chemo. When I was first diagnosed I couldn't start as I was to unwell/underweight. It was horrendous. The thought that there's a treatment available that could save/prolong your life but is denied to you is hard to describe.

Hang in there Hump.

 

[Humpty]

I have cancer and I'm currently undergoing chemo. Pre covid the unit was always full, whenever I attended. During covid it was probably about half full, if that. I've recently restarted it after an enforced break due to medical issues and in the one session I've attended it was almost full. Just my experience obviously, I can't say that's how it is elsewhere.

I have enormous sympathy for those who have cancer and can't get chemo. When I was first diagnosed I couldn't start as I was to unwell/underweight. It was horrendous. The thought that there's a treatment available that could save/prolong your life but is denied to you is hard to describe.

Hang in there Hump.

Cheers Dar

 

[Trampie]

Hang in there Hump.

Cheers Dar

All the best Humpty.

 

[Best_loser]

Cheers Dar

All the best Humpty.

Hope things improve

 

[Humpty]

All the best Humpty.

Hope things improve

Thanks both. Things aren't going to improve mate. They told me that on day one.

 

[sainthelens]

How many of those people would have died if Covid had never happened? Impossible to answer, so a pointless argument.

All the people I personally know who have ongoing conditions like cancer, including immediate family members, are still receiving treatment and have all through Covid.

I have cancer and I'm currently undergoing chemo. Pre covid the unit was always full, whenever I attended. During covid it was probably about half full, if that. I've recently restarted it after an enforced break due to medical issues and in the one session I've attended it was almost full. Just my experience obviously, I can't say that's how it is elsewhere.

I have enormous sympathy for those who have cancer and can't get chemo. When I was first diagnosed I couldn't start as I was to unwell/underweight. It was horrendous. The thought that there's a treatment available that could save/prolong your life but is denied to you is hard to describe.

Good luck to you buddy. You sound so brave. Keep you chin up.

 

[DJack]

450 uk cancer deaths every day, 120 uk suicides every day. Nice of the Govt to completely overlook all that.

And that is the tip of the iceberg, the Covid will be by far the less of the 2 evils probably over a million deaths in the not to distant future mainly due to the stopping of routine procedures and not being able to see a specialist for god knows how long, yet most people do not realize this, they are way to preoccupied with the Covid which could be due to the Covid media brainwashing or quite simply they are to dumb to realize that there is a far bigger ticking timebomb out there.

So you've got another username... We won't forget but we can forgive if you change

 

[DJack]

How many of those people would have died if Covid had never happened? Impossible to answer, so a pointless argument.

All the people I personally know who have ongoing conditions like cancer, including immediate family members, are still receiving treatment and have all through Covid.

I have cancer and I'm currently undergoing chemo. Pre covid the unit was always full, whenever I attended. During covid it was probably about half full, if that. I've recently restarted it after an enforced break due to medical issues and in the one session I've attended it was almost full. Just my experience obviously, I can't say that's how it is elsewhere.

I have enormous sympathy for those who have cancer and can't get chemo. When I was first diagnosed I couldn't start as I was to unwell/underweight. It was horrendous. The thought that there's a treatment available that could save/prolong your life but is denied to you is hard to describe.

Good luck. I've a sibling who has gone through it twice and others on this board have also come out the other end.

Take care buddy.

 

[Itchysphincter]

I have cancer and I'm currently undergoing chemo. Pre covid the unit was always full, whenever I attended. During covid it was probably about half full, if that. I've recently restarted it after an enforced break due to medical issues and in the one session I've attended it was almost full. Just my experience obviously, I can't say that's how it is elsewhere.

I have enormous sympathy for those who have cancer and can't get chemo. When I was first diagnosed I couldn't start as I was to unwell/underweight. It was horrendous. The thought that there's a treatment available that could save/prolong your life but is denied to you is hard to describe.

Best wishes Humpt, I hope you get everything you need.

 

[PSumbler]

How many of those people would have died if Covid had never happened? Impossible to answer, so a pointless argument.

All the people I personally know who have ongoing conditions like cancer, including immediate family members, are still receiving treatment and have all through Covid.

I have cancer and I'm currently undergoing chemo. Pre covid the unit was always full, whenever I attended. During covid it was probably about half full, if that. I've recently restarted it after an enforced break due to medical issues and in the one session I've attended it was almost full. Just my experience obviously, I can't say that's how it is elsewhere.

I have enormous sympathy for those who have cancer and can't get chemo. When I was first diagnosed I couldn't start as I was to unwell/underweight. It was horrendous. The thought that there's a treatment available that could save/prolong your life but is denied to you is hard to describe.

Good luck to you Humpty, fight it hard.

 

[Professor]

How many of those people would have died if Covid had never happened? Impossible to answer, so a pointless argument.

All the people I personally know who have ongoing conditions like cancer, including immediate family members, are still receiving treatment and have all through Covid.

I have cancer and I'm currently undergoing chemo. Pre covid the unit was always full, whenever I attended. During covid it was probably about half full, if that. I've recently restarted it after an enforced break due to medical issues and in the one session I've attended it was almost full. Just my experience obviously, I can't say that's how it is elsewhere.

I have enormous sympathy for those who have cancer and can't get chemo. When I was first diagnosed I couldn't start as I was to unwell/underweight. It was horrendous. The thought that there's a treatment available that could save/prolong your life but is denied to you is hard to describe.

My best wishes to you and hope your treatment is not disrupted

 

[Professor]

So it gives me no pleasure to be proved right about a second wave. You may have read that the University of Liverpool has 87 cases in staff and students-picked up by our own testing provision which shows the importance of a viable track and trace which is still not there nationally(one of my staff has been awaiting results from testing of her son since Monday morning).

So we see a massive backtrack from UK government on working from home, pubs and restaurants with curfews. I would suggest it is pretty inevitable that a 2 week circuit break of pub and restaurant closures perhaps with a flexible two week school half-term. Mixing of students is leading to new cases nationally. All sadly predictable.

I want to make a few points
1.Doing nothing to reach 'Herd immunity" with shielding the vulnerable. Quite rightly the CMO said this is not achievable. The infection is too transmissible to put what could be 10 million plus in quarantine. Furthermore this would need about 50 million people infected. Tens if not hundreds of thousands will still die and many more be seriously ill. There would be a real threat of not just NHS, but total infrastructure collapse if large numbers are too unwell to work. And to be frank, we don't know to what degree immunity is protective or the length of any protection. No doubt there will be those saying about T cell immunity-well there is no evidence of any protection even if some people have cross-reactive cells. In other respiratory coronaviruses in chickens and pigs (where we already vaccinate) protection is conferred mainly by the antibody response

2. Sweden. Winston made a good point it was too early to tell. Remember Sweden's cases fell much more slowly than elsewhere too. However, the signs of spikes in cases in Stockholm do suggest that the country is nowhere near herd immunity. There are moves to bring in restrictions. It is also not true that Sweden had no restrictions. They were less stringent than ours, but have a population that are both more socially aware and willing to comply for the greater good, have a small population and low population density with few major cities. The best comparisons are with Denmark and Norway, both with substantially fewer cases

3. You can get very sick but not die. I don't know anyone who had died of Covid. This is good. I do know of colleagues who were acutely ill in March and six months later are still struggling. We don't know how this will play out long term, but it's clear than sequelae (or secondary symptoms) are common after the infection. These can be serious including cardiac problems and a huge increase in risk of stroke.


Please take this seriously. I know most of you will. We have to contain until we get towards a viable vaccine, that gives enough control that we learn to live with this like influenza.
Keep safe.

 

[J_B]

How many of those people would have died if Covid had never happened? Impossible to answer, so a pointless argument.

All the people I personally know who have ongoing conditions like cancer, including immediate family members, are still receiving treatment and have all through Covid.

I have cancer and I'm currently undergoing chemo. Pre covid the unit was always full, whenever I attended. During covid it was probably about half full, if that. I've recently restarted it after an enforced break due to medical issues and in the one session I've attended it was almost full. Just my experience obviously, I can't say that's how it is elsewhere.

I have enormous sympathy for those who have cancer and can't get chemo. When I was first diagnosed I couldn't start as I was to unwell/underweight. It was horrendous. The thought that there's a treatment available that could save/prolong your life but is denied to you is hard to describe.

Really sorry to hear this Humpty. Good luck and very best wishes to you.