Entertainment after a hard week in work.

[Londonlisa2001]

I've been wondering if football as a whole is changing so much that we all something that's rapidly going out of fashion.

Basically like turning up at a chess match expecting blood and thunder entertainment

There are certainly not many teams who are genuinely entertaining.

Liverpool last year were one. Arsenal often are. Crystal Palace I find entertaining. And those three are all very different styles of play. But one thing they all do is attack at every opportunity as quickly as possible.

 

[swansvalleyjack]

And a team of ‘safe’ players leads to the drudgery we are now used to watching. Not many mistakes, good pass completion, lots of kilometres covered and no creativity.

Drudgery is a very accurate description of what we have witnessed in our teams from Cooper onwards

 

[Dr. Winston]

There definitely feels like a dearth of entertainment in football generally these days compared to years gone by. Maybe it's just me being a bit "Old man yells at cloud", but the Premier League was enthralling in the days of Henry, Cantona, Hasselbaink et al. Now it all just seems a bit too strategic, and that's filtered down the pyramid.

I've seen it said elsewhere that a player like Messi would find it harder to break through a youth system these days because dribblers and mavericks are frowned upon. Probably a bit hyperbolic but on a gut level it feels true.

It's definitely leading to, if not a lack of interest in attending Swans games for me, but certainly a not minding if I miss a couple to do other stuff. I didn't miss a home game in any competition for about 15 years. This season alone it'll be at least three in the league.

 

[Deleted member 1454]

There definitely feels like a dearth of entertainment in football generally these days compared to years gone by. Maybe it's just me being a bit "Old man yells at cloud", but the Premier League was enthralling in the days of Henry, Cantona, Hasselbaink et al. Now it all just seems a bit too strategic, and that's filtered down the pyramid.

I've seen it said elsewhere that a player like Messi would find it harder to break through a youth system these days because dribblers and mavericks are frowned upon. Probably a bit hyperbolic but on a gut level it feels true.

It's definitely leading to, if not a lack of interest in attending Swans games for me, but certainly a not minding if I miss a couple to do other stuff. I didn't miss a home game in any competition for about 15 years. This season alone it'll be at least three in the league.

It's the Pep's Barca/peak Spain effect wot done it.

Football by strangulation, keeping the ball until the other team lose patience, done to perfection. The mantra: DO NOT LOSE THE BALL.

Those teams were so successful it has led to well over a decade of most other teams in the world doing a really bad imitation of it. And let's face it, done badly, it's the most tedious bullshit imaginable. Unfortunately, we've suffered more than most.

 

[FearOfAJackPlanet]

It's the Pep's Barca/peak Spain effect wot done it.

Football by strangulation, keeping the ball until the other team lose patience, done to perfection. The mantra: DO NOT LOSE THE BALL.

Those teams were so successful it has led to well over a decade of most other teams in the world doing a really bad imitation of it. And let's face it, done badly, it's the most tedious bullshit imaginable. Unfortunately, we've suffered more than most.

The fact that the Pep/Spain possession era directly inspired Russell Martin to become a manager and inflict his take of this style on british football is enough to have Spain stripped of their World Cup and European Championships in my opinion. It's only fair.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

There definitely feels like a dearth of entertainment in football generally these days compared to years gone by. Maybe it's just me being a bit "Old man yells at cloud", but the Premier League was enthralling in the days of Henry, Cantona, Hasselbaink et al. Now it all just seems a bit too strategic, and that's filtered down the pyramid.

I've seen it said elsewhere that a player like Messi would find it harder to break through a youth system these days because dribblers and mavericks are frowned upon. Probably a bit hyperbolic but on a gut level it feels true.

It's definitely leading to, if not a lack of interest in attending Swans games for me, but certainly a not minding if I miss a couple to do other stuff. I didn't miss a home game in any competition for about 15 years. This season alone it'll be at least three in the league.

Messi wouldn’t have got past our spreadsheets.

The problem is that our spreadsheet methods (and we’re not the only ones) lead to painting by numbers rather than Caravaggio. Yamaha presets rather than Mozart. And AI articles rather than Shakespeare.

It’s all just tedious. ‘Correct’ but tedious.

 

[CommonCents]

Messi wouldn’t have got past our spreadsheets.

The problem is that our spreadsheet methods (and we’re not the only ones) lead to painting by numbers rather than Caravaggio. Yamaha presets rather than Mozart. And AI articles rather than Shakespeare.

It’s all just tedious. ‘Correct’ but tedious.

We use a combination of data and scouting. The process was explained a few months back.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

We use a combination of data and scouting. The process was explained a few months back.

Hi Dimi.

 

[CommonCents]

Hi Dimi.

Don't get that. I’m saying the process was explained a few months back. Your version of how we recruit doesn’t appear accurate. Unless you know something I don’t?

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Don't get that. I’m saying the process was explained a few months back. Your version of how we recruit doesn’t appear accurate. Unless you know something I don’t?

lol.

You can’t be happy at the moment surely?

 

[CommonCents]

lol.

You can’t be happy at the moment surely?

Same as all the other real fans, want us to do better but understand it’s a process. What I won’t be doing is intentionally being negative hoping we lose. I’m noticing that a lot.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Same as all the other real fans, want us to do better but understand it’s a process. What I won’t be doing is intentionally being negative hoping we lose. I’m noticing that a lot.

No one on here is hoping we lose.

I was hugely supportive of the summer. I said so the last time we spoke.

But it’s not working. Everyone understands it’s a process and for me at least it’s not about the results, it’s about the lack of creativity and no sign of improvement. We all hope it improves but it really is not great at the moment.

 

[magicdaps10]

No one on here is hoping we lose.

I was hugely supportive of the summer. I said so the last time we spoke.

But it’s not working. Everyone understands it’s a process and for me at least it’s not about the results, it’s about the lack of creativity and no sign of improvement. We all hope it improves but it really is not great at the moment.

It's terrible! The owners must be disappointed with a number of things.

I'm happy for a process but if the signs are limited(which they are) then it can't just be ignored and just cross your fingers.

 

[waynekerr55]

Messi wouldn’t have got past our spreadsheets.

The problem is that our spreadsheet methods (and we’re not the only ones) lead to painting by numbers rather than Caravaggio. Yamaha presets rather than Mozart. And AI articles rather than Shakespeare.

It’s all just tedious. ‘Correct’ but tedious.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

Academy football is vastly underpaid at all levels.

 

[CommonCents]

No one on here is hoping we lose.

I was hugely supportive of the summer. I said so the last time we spoke.

But it’s not working. Everyone understands it’s a process and for me at least it’s not about the results, it’s about the lack of creativity and no sign of improvement. We all hope it improves but it really is not great at the moment.

It’s not clicking yet, agree with you, but these things do take time. Put a first time manager in charge of a load of new players will take time to settle.