Incompetent Refs

[sainthelens]

Pen we should have had v Leicester and last night's disallowed goal.
These fckn useless refs are boiling my piss.
Those 2 incidents were blatant errors by them. VAR is needed in the championship.

 

[legoman]

Pen we should have had v Leicester and last night's disallowed goal.
These fckn useless refs are boiling my piss.
Those 2 incidents were blatant errors by them. VAR is needed in the championship.

Although VAR is often criticised I've long held the view that so large is the financial prize of promotion to the PL that it should be implemented in the Championship.

 

[Pontyjack]

Pen we should have had v Leicester and last night's disallowed goal.
These fckn useless refs are boiling my piss.
Those 2 incidents were blatant errors by them. VAR is needed in the championship.

But it’s the same incompetent refs who operate VAR. I don’t think VAR would have changed either of those decisions.

 

[bakajack]

But it’s the same incompetent refs who operate VAR. I don’t think VAR would have changed either of those decisions.

We definitely have more decisions go against us than for us on the balance of the past four or five seasons since we have been back in the Championship. I also agree that the Championship needs VAR because of the massive financial implications, relying on one guy to get every decision right in real time with nothing but one set of eyes is madness.

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

They are getting worse

 

[sainthelens]

But it’s the same incompetent refs who operate VAR. I don’t think VAR would have changed either of those decisions.

With respect, that's crap.

 

[LeonWasTheDog's]

But it’s the same incompetent refs who operate VAR. I don’t think VAR would have changed either of those decisions.

VAR does seem to give them a chance to get more decisions right. But you're right in that it's far from foolproof.

I don't think VAR would have overturned the 'handball' Leicester one, but the rugby tackle at the end was pretty blatant imo. I haven't seen a replay back from last night, so will go and have a look at the highlights. (Edit. Ollie Cooper had his arms around their number 39 - not pulling him and you see worst at every corner, and we had worse against us against Leicester, but I suspect VAR wouldn't overturn the ref's decision on that).

 

[Pontyjack]

With respect, that's crap.

Which part of what I wrote do you disagree with ? VAR do not reverse on field decisions unless there are clear and obvious errors. I think there is enough doubt in both these decisions for VAR to not go against the on field referee as Leon said in the post above.

By the way in no way am I supporting the referee’s decision in either case

 

[sainthelens]

Which part of what I wrote do you disagree with ? VAR do not reverse on field decisions unless there are clear and obvious errors. I think there is enough doubt in both these decisions for VAR to not go against the on field referee as Leon said in the post above.

By the way in no way am I supporting the referee’s decision in either case

No offence was intended buddy, but what I've witnessed last 2 games in particular was so blatantly obvious then VAR shouldn't have even been required!!
Opinions eh..we all have em.

 

[Pontyjack]

No offence was intended buddy, but what I've witnessed last 2 games in particular was so blatantly obvious then VAR shouldn't have even been required!!
Opinions eh..we all have em.

No offence taken Saint. These are just the latest examples of many years’ “dubious” refereeing decisions against us.

 

[K23]

I've just watched the Youtube highlights of Pederson's 'goal' several times at 1/4 speed and yes, Cooper and the guy marking him were tussling with each other but absolutely nothing out of the ordinary and certainly no more than happens at every single corner in every match and I think that 'goal' would have stood 8 or 9 times out of 10. In fact, by the time Pederson made contact with the ball, Cooper and his man were about a yard apart so Cooper couldn't have had much of a hold on him.

 

[Niigata Jack]

I've just watched the Youtube highlights of Pederson's 'goal' several times at 1/4 speed and yes, Cooper and the guy marking him were tussling with each other but absolutely nothing out of the ordinary and certainly no more than happens at every single corner in every match and I think that 'goal' would have stood 8 or 9 times out of 10. In fact, by the time Pederson made contact with the ball, Cooper and his man were about a yard apart so Cooper couldn't have had much of a hold on him.

I agree that tussles take place in the penalty box at virtually every set piece, but a clear gap opened up for Pederson to power into, which looked like it was caused by Cooper ushering the defender away on one side and Fulton doing so on the other side, that's the only reason I can see, but you're right 8/9 times out of 10 that goal would have stood.

We've rarely had the rub of the green though, so nothing really surprises anybody.

 

[LeonWasTheDog's]

I've just watched the Youtube highlights of Pederson's 'goal' several times at 1/4 speed and yes, Cooper and the guy marking him were tussling with each other but absolutely nothing out of the ordinary and certainly no more than happens at every single corner in every match and I think that 'goal' would have stood 8 or 9 times out of 10. In fact, by the time Pederson made contact with the ball, Cooper and his man were about a yard apart so Cooper couldn't have had much of a hold on him.

That the problem isn’t it. If that’s a foul (which it could well be the strict interpretation of the laws), then every corner results in a penalty or free kick. Consistency is lacking. As you say, that wasn’t even a normal example of manhandling in the box. It was very soft.

 

[K23]

I agree that tussles take place in the penalty box at virtually every set piece, but a clear gap opened up for Pederson to power into, which looked like it was caused by Cooper ushering the defender away on one side and Fulton doing so on the other side, that's the only reason I can see, but you're right 8/9 times out of 10 that goal would have stood.

We've rarely had the rub of the green though, so nothing really surprises anybody.

Yes, you're no doubt right about what Cooper and Fulton did but only the naive would think that teams don't practice and rehearse these sequences. Watch any corner in any match and there will always be a few players, maybe the shorter ones, who have no intention of getting to the ball as their job is to impede defenders who are trying to get to the ball by blocking their runs or nudging them off balance and generally making a nuisance of themselves to give their taller teammates a slightly better chance of getting to the ball. It's why some teams are much better than others at set pieces because they take that side of the game seriously and they know that there'll be so much of that going on in the box that they'll almost always get away with it.