Kim Hellberg - Now’s the Time

[magicdaps10]

Just been looking at some of their highlights after reading Blackpool post.

They play some excellent football, quick and very fluid. They seem to play a solid 3 defenders with full backs pushing up from what I am watching.

Their right sided full back/wing back looks decent and that I'm impressed and hearing the name Paulos Abraham although he looks similar in style to Inoussa.

 

[Smurph]

Not sure what the issue is with some posters about Hellberg? He seems on paper an exciting manager who has a lot more experience than what we have had in years and seems to be the opposite of Sheehan. One thing for sure, if he gets appointed, I can't see fans being bored of slow build up football. His stats for being an attacking football team is promising. Let's gamble, I rather do this than league one managers from last few years or play it safe with a championship manager.

Probably the fear of the unknown.

 

[Magic_Michu]

A few said his attacking numbers were excellent but not the defence. I have heard though that Norwich didn’t have the best defenders that season.

Will Still is another that I think will succeed elsewhere.

I think their goalkeeper made howler after howler last season

 

[Smurph]

I think their goalkeeper made howler after howler last season

He'll love Fisher in that case

 

[Jackareme]

It just feels to me like another potential appointment made off the back of fancy stats and heatmaps, like with Martin and Williams. We're taking a risk on a coach whose numbers may stand up to a certain extent but, crucially, at an inferior standard to the division we're in.

Look at Tim Walter and Johannes Thorup from last season - parachuted in from nowhere, struggled, got sacked. Going back a bit further you had Duff with us. Bulut at Cardiff came with the sort of narrative now surrounding Hellberg, but we know how that ended.

Sorry to put a downer on things but to me, it just feels like an enormous and unnecessary risk of making the same mistakes we've made previously.

Yes please - fancy sats and heat maps are what we need to take account of.
For the past year we have had a coach who fails to understand that if you don't touch the ball in the opposition area, create chances and attack through all the attacking zones - then guess what - you become Swansea Nil.
The stats are the measure of whether your tactical approach is effective.
Sheehan was too much old school jumpers for goal posts and defensive solidity - IF he had tried to address some of our attacking deficiencies (as revealed by the stats) he might still be in gainful employment.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Yes please - fancy sats and heat maps are what we need to take account of.
For the past year we have had a coach who fails to understand that if you don't touch the ball in the opposition area, create chances and attack through all the attacking zones - then guess what - you become Swansea Nil.
The stats are the measure of whether your tactical approach is effective.
Sheehan was too much old school jumpers for goal posts and defensive solidity - IF he had tried to address some of our attacking deficiencies (as revealed by the stats) he might still be in gainful employment.

I get what you're saying JA - being on top of the kind of stats that actually win you football matches, I'm totally on board with.

But you know as well as I do that Martin and Williams were selected largely on the basis of their possession and pass accuracy stats - which in most cases is con man football, unless you're Pep Guardiola.

As always, I'll judge the new coach on results and performances. But I don't think anyone could blame me for being 'once bitten twice shy', given our recent track record for appointments.

 

[J_B]

It’s a bit weird to me that Sheehan apparently couldn’t see that we were creating nothing and all the stats pointed to us being the worst attacking side in the league.

Weird because Worth is a stats maniac and surely his endless analyses would have pointed this out from very early in the season.

 

[Jackareme]

In the NFL they have offensive and defensive coordinators for a reason - each required a specialist mind set and skill set.
Sheehan could organize a team into a solid shape - but had no clue how to disrupt and destroy everyone else’s solidity
I am sure he recognized the issue - just had zero ability to change it without sacrificing his beloved defensive structure.
Some additional coaching support/input might really have helped him.

 

[Smurph]

In the NFL they have offensive and defensive coordinators for a reason - each required a specialist mind set and skill set.
Sheehan could organize a team into a solid shape - but had no clue how to disrupt and destroy everyone else’s solidity
I am sure he recognized the issue - just had zero ability to change it without sacrificing his beloved defensive structure.
Some additional coaching support/input might really have helped him.

The puzzling thing with Sheehan is he had us playing some decent stuff during his second sting as care taker.

I guess we'll never really know where it went wrong for him.

 

[J_B]

In the NFL they have offensive and defensive coordinators for a reason - each required a specialist mind set and skill set.
Sheehan could organize a team into a solid shape - but had no clue how to disrupt and destroy everyone else’s solidity
I am sure he recognized the issue - just had zero ability to change it without sacrificing his beloved defensive structure.
Some additional coaching support/input might really have helped him.

I’m not knowledgeable about the NFL but I thought that they have completely different teams on the field for attacking and defending?
Footballers, on the other hand, have both attacking and defensive roles on the field at all times from 1 to 11.

 

[WentToSchoolWith]

In the NFL they have offensive and defensive coordinators for a reason - each required a specialist mind set and skill set.
Sheehan could organize a team into a solid shape - but had no clue how to disrupt and destroy everyone else’s solidity
I am sure he recognized the issue - just had zero ability to change it without sacrificing his beloved defensive structure.
Some additional coaching support/input might really have helped him.

I made a similar point shortly after he was sacked. I think he'd do a job at any Championship or lower club at coming in, straightening a defence up, and likely avoiding relegation, he just doesn't have anything long-term

 

[Jackareme]

I’m not knowledgeable about the NFL but I thought that they have completely different teams on the field for attacking and defending?
Footballers, on the other hand, have both attacking and defensive roles on the field at all times from 1 to 11.

Yes but both departments are coached entirely differently with specialist coaching on one function.
I think Sheehan has proven that he is a decent defensive coach but totally inept as an innovative attacking mind.

 

[crazedbison]

It just feels to me like another potential appointment made off the back of fancy stats and heatmaps, like with Martin and Williams. We're taking a risk on a coach whose numbers may stand up to a certain extent but, crucially, at an inferior standard to the division we're in.

Look at Tim Walter and Johannes Thorup from last season - parachuted in from nowhere, struggled, got sacked. Going back a bit further you had Duff with us. Bulut at Cardiff came with the sort of narrative now surrounding Hellberg, but we know how that ended.

Sorry to put a downer on things but to me, it just feels like an enormous and unnecessary risk of making the same mistakes we've made previously.

This is right where I'm at as well.

Hellberg could very well be a terrific manager, but for me it seems a bit of a risk.

Personally, the candidates who I'd prefer but would likely have to convince:

Raphel Wicky
Bruno Lage
Brendan Rodgers (doubt we could afford)

 

[Swansea93]

This is right where I'm at as well.

Hellberg could very well be a terrific manager, but for me it seems a bit of a risk.

Personally, the candidates who I'd prefer but would likely have to convince:

Raphel Wicky
Bruno Lage
Brendan Rodgers (doubt we could afford)

Wicky I believe turned down W Brom because his backroom staff couldn’t get Visa

 

[magicdaps10]

This is right where I'm at as well.

Hellberg could very well be a terrific manager, but for me it seems a bit of a risk.

Personally, the candidates who I'd prefer but would likely have to convince:

Raphel Wicky
Bruno Lage
Brendan Rodgers (doubt we could afford)

I mentioned Wicky back when Williams went, I am very surprised he hasn't got a job although he didn't go to WBA because I e if his backroom staff not getting a WP.
He done well in Switzerland but struggled in his stint in the USA.

Rodgers would be the perfect choice , he would stabilise us at the very least this season but financially he would push us in every department.
The talk about Hellberg seems to be high at the moment but it's not as cut and dry as it seems with certain people