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Kyle Joseph

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Chief said:
Steering yet another unrelated thread towards him.

How the hell is a discussion of the success of the clubs recruitment director "unrelated" to the manager of the side for most of his tenure?

You can't discuss Scott without discussing Cooper.
 
Chief said:
You're the ones who can't stop mentioning our former manager for some reason? Steering yet another unrelated thread towards him.

I'm just busting myths. And this Morris one is a particularly easy one to dismiss.

Constantly patrolling the forums to make sure no one is talking negatively regarding Uncle Steve. Can't fault you at all.
 
Dr. Winston said:
Cooper loyalists are starting to come across like teenage girls when you diss their favourite boyband.

Bit like Prosser and cheap trick :lol:
 
Dr. Winston said:
Chief said:
Steering yet another unrelated thread towards him.

How the hell is a discussion of the success of the clubs recruitment director "unrelated" to the manager of the side for most of his tenure?

You can't discuss Scott without discussing Cooper.

Kyle Joseph thread I thought it was. Silly me.
 
Risc said:
Chief said:
You're the ones who can't stop mentioning our former manager for some reason? Steering yet another unrelated thread towards him.

I'm just busting myths. And this Morris one is a particularly easy one to dismiss.

Constantly patrolling the forums to make sure no one is talking negatively regarding Uncle Steve. Can't fault you at all.

Keep fighting the good fight comrade
 
Chief said:
Dr. Winston said:
How the hell is a discussion of the success of the clubs recruitment director "unrelated" to the manager of the side for most of his tenure?

You can't discuss Scott without discussing Cooper.

Kyle Joseph thread I thought it was. Silly me.

Seeing as Joseph seems to have promise, I was motivated to look at Scott's transfer record. Many apologies for daring to take this thread on a tangent. That's never happened on an internet forum before after all...

Suggesting Morris and Peterson may have done more under a different manager is a valid point, as would be saying that some other players may have done worse under a different manager. If a different manager had given Morris more time on the pitch, then maybe he would have impressed more. Plus, if he had been playing more minutes, then the exact scenario that led to his injury would almost certainly not have occurred, although I admit that's a tad pedantic.
 
Chief said:
Risc said:
Constantly patrolling the forums to make sure no one is talking negatively regarding Uncle Steve. Can't fault you at all.

Keep fighting the good fight comrade

aye aye captain
 
JackSomething said:
Chief said:
Kyle Joseph thread I thought it was. Silly me.

Seeing as Joseph seems to have promise, I was motivated to look at Scott's transfer record. Many apologies for daring to take this thread on a tangent. That's never happened on an internet forum before after all...

Suggesting Morris and Peterson may have done more under a different manager is a valid point, as would be saying that some other players may have done worse under a different manager. If a different manager had given Morris more time on the pitch, then maybe he would have impressed more. Plus, if he had been playing more minutes, then the exact scenario that led to his injury would almost certainly not have occurred, although I admit that's a tad pedantic.

Or it's just actually another opportunity to pile blame for everything on Cooper...

Cooper's job was to gain results for Swansea City. Not necessarily develop players for other clubs (if that occurs as a byproduct then great). So he should take absolutely no blame for not developing a player who was not match fit when he arrived (that was no secret). And also coming into a club on good form.

Of the games that he was available&fit for:
- Brentford H 1-1 - very finely poised game&we were down to 10& he'd only recently arrived&trained a few days prior. Correct decision to leave on bench.
- Rotherham A 1-3 - finely poised until Fulton sealed it, Morris came on for 7mins. Again very early days into his loan. Correct decision.
- Norwich H 2-0 - comfortable but against league leaders. Morris had 15mins. Building up minutes. Correct decision.
- forest H 1-0 - Roberts saved us late on but Morris was brought on in an evenly poised game for 23mins. Building up minutes. Correct decision.
- Huddersfield A 4-1. That shambolic game where Morris came on at HT so his minutes would have ramped up again had he not got injured. And starting him would in reality have done little to help the club or player.

And that was it - out injured and loan over. Do people think he was with us longer or something?

So are you actually saying that we have should have chucked him in earlier into a winning team that was scoring goals? Second guessing and criticising team selection for wins is just bizarre.

Even in these early games there were signs that he was tiring. Yet people are saying he should have played more? Some saying on top of this unready player we should also be throwing in Arriola, also not match fit and only available for a small window. Then there's people moaning about Whittaker not playing. And Cullen. We only have 11 players that can start. And all the time we were challenging for promotion.

Surely playing him playing more in these early days (remember he hadn't played in over a year before coming) in a demanding championship schedule would have vastly increased the chances of serious injury!?
 
Chief said:
JackSomething said:
Seeing as Joseph seems to have promise, I was motivated to look at Scott's transfer record. Many apologies for daring to take this thread on a tangent. That's never happened on an internet forum before after all...

Suggesting Morris and Peterson may have done more under a different manager is a valid point, as would be saying that some other players may have done worse under a different manager. If a different manager had given Morris more time on the pitch, then maybe he would have impressed more. Plus, if he had been playing more minutes, then the exact scenario that led to his injury would almost certainly not have occurred, although I admit that's a tad pedantic.

Or it's just actually another opportunity to pile blame for everything on Cooper...

Cooper's job was to gain results for Swansea City. Not necessarily develop players for other clubs (if that occurs as a byproduct then great). So he should take absolutely no blame for not developing a player who was not match fit when he arrived (that was no secret). And also coming into a club on good form.

Of the games that he was available&fit for:
- Brentford H 1-1 - very finely poised game&we were down to 10& he'd only recently arrived&trained a few days prior. Correct decision to leave on bench.
- Rotherham A 1-3 - finely poised until Fulton sealed it, Morris came on for 7mins. Again very early days into his loan. Correct decision.
- Norwich H 2-0 - comfortable but against league leaders. Morris had 15mins. Building up minutes. Correct decision.
- forest H 1-0 - Roberts saved us late on but Morris was brought on in an evenly poised game for 23mins. Building up minutes. Correct decision.
- Huddersfield A 4-1. That shambolic game where Morris came on at HT so his minutes would have ramped up again had he not got injured. And starting him would in reality have done little to help the club or player.

And that was it - out injured and loan over. Do people think he was with us longer or something?

So are you actually saying that we have should have chucked him in earlier into a winning team that was scoring goals? Second guessing and criticising team selection for wins is just bizarre.

Even in these early games there were signs that he was tiring. Yet people are saying he should have played more? Some saying on top of this unready player we should also be throwing in Arriola, also not match fit and only available for a small window. Then there's people moaning about Whittaker not playing. And Cullen. We only have 11 players that can start. And all the time we were challenging for promotion.

Surely playing him playing more in these early days (remember he hadn't played in over a year before coming) in a demanding championship schedule would have vastly increased the chances of serious injury!?

Wow, that's a lot of words rebutting a point that I never made, good on you. Perhaps if Morris had started against Forest we would have won more comfortably and then he would have started against Huddersfield, so the injury would never have happened? It's pointless dealing in hypotheticals. I'd be more concerned with how an innocuous comment of 'could have succeeded under different management' has triggered you so badly.

At the end of the day Cooper is gone. He effectively achieved nothing here and because of his reliance on loans (which I'm not criticising, merely pointing out a fact), we are left with a weaker squad than when he got here. On top of that the football was boring. I'm not sure what it is about him that leads some people to go nuts at even the slightest hint of criticism. It's not as if he did a Toshack or Martinez style job here.
 
JackSomething said:
Chief said:
Or it's just actually another opportunity to pile blame for everything on Cooper...

Cooper's job was to gain results for Swansea City. Not necessarily develop players for other clubs (if that occurs as a byproduct then great). So he should take absolutely no blame for not developing a player who was not match fit when he arrived (that was no secret). And also coming into a club on good form.

Of the games that he was available&fit for:
- Brentford H 1-1 - very finely poised game&we were down to 10& he'd only recently arrived&trained a few days prior. Correct decision to leave on bench.
- Rotherham A 1-3 - finely poised until Fulton sealed it, Morris came on for 7mins. Again very early days into his loan. Correct decision.
- Norwich H 2-0 - comfortable but against league leaders. Morris had 15mins. Building up minutes. Correct decision.
- forest H 1-0 - Roberts saved us late on but Morris was brought on in an evenly poised game for 23mins. Building up minutes. Correct decision.
- Huddersfield A 4-1. That shambolic game where Morris came on at HT so his minutes would have ramped up again had he not got injured. And starting him would in reality have done little to help the club or player.

And that was it - out injured and loan over. Do people think he was with us longer or something?

So are you actually saying that we have should have chucked him in earlier into a winning team that was scoring goals? Second guessing and criticising team selection for wins is just bizarre.

Even in these early games there were signs that he was tiring. Yet people are saying he should have played more? Some saying on top of this unready player we should also be throwing in Arriola, also not match fit and only available for a small window. Then there's people moaning about Whittaker not playing. And Cullen. We only have 11 players that can start. And all the time we were challenging for promotion.

Surely playing him playing more in these early days (remember he hadn't played in over a year before coming) in a demanding championship schedule would have vastly increased the chances of serious injury!?

Wow, that's a lot of words rebutting a point that I never made, good on you. Perhaps if Morris had started against Forest we would have won more comfortably and then he would have started against Huddersfield, so the injury would never have happened? It's pointless dealing in hypotheticals. I'd be more concerned with how an innocuous comment of 'could have succeeded under different management' has triggered you so badly.

At the end of the day Cooper is gone. He effectively achieved nothing here and because of his reliance on loans (which I'm not criticising, merely pointing out a fact), we are left with a weaker squad than when he got here. On top of that the football was boring. I'm not sure what it is about him that leads some people to go nuts at even the slightest hint of criticism. It's not as if he did a Toshack or Martinez style job here.

Yes, not necessarily directed at just yourself but a lot certainly applies to your previous post. As I said, we did beat forest, I can't remember Morris being particularly instrumental in those 23mins he was on but that was a really tough game, do you think he was ready to start in that game? I don't. Plus we won anyway.

I don't see your point about starting v Huddersfield. 1 if he'd started&played v forest I doubt he was fit enough to start another game a few days later&if he was surely his chances of getting injured would have been higher &could have happened earlier in the game. Struggling to see your logic on his injury. Are you blaming lack of competitive game time on it?

'Triggered'. I'm just respectfully replying to posts on a forum.

The rest you've written there are unrelated to the point I replied to. I've no argument against people saying the style of play was boring. There are plenty of other criticisms I can think of. I don't really see why people have to continuously make up other things to blame him for though. Morris not performing (I think he was decent) or developing is just the latest in a lengthy line of those.
 
Off to Cheltenham on loan, quite disappointed with that.
 
Who were you expecting him to go to? Full season in league 1 would be great
 
He must be disappointed to back in league one. Whittaker’s display pipped him but not sure re Cullen.
Thought would stick to thread unlike some
 
Cullen may well go out too, especially if we add another striker.

Piroe, Lowe, Whittaker and one other should be plenty.
 

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