Martin

[Copamundial]

Let’s see how the small posse of Martin fans answer this.

Tommy, I think it’s you that’s lovestruck

 

[Cooperman]

Tommy, I think it’s you that’s lovestruck

Let’s hear your counter argument then. Try doing it without making sexual jibes, this is the first step in being taken seriously.

 

[Dewi1jack]

'The Swansea Way' - This tickles me as well.

But I guess it means different things to different people. For the majority of my time supporting this club, we were never a passing / possession side (if that is what is 'The Swansea Way' refers to. From what I remember, we only started down that road when Martinez took the reins.

Have to agree with that

The Swansea way.
If there's an easier way to do football, from Robin turning on a fax machine then to the yeehaas appointing a manager now, then we as a club, will find the most convoluted, most awkward and hardest way possible, to achieve our target.
Just my opinion on "the Swansea Way"

 

[Darran]

Some of our fans behave like love sick teenagers. It really is laughable.

‘Ooh, he really cares about us’

‘ ooh, he hardly celebrated’

Pathetic,

Opposition manager spends the week engaging in Fergie style mind games to create disharmony and weaken the opposition before he plays them at home in huge match. Succeeds (we had so called supporters hoping they’d win for God’s sake).

After the match again tries to disrupt (ooh, he love the supporters - yeah right, that’s why he’s causing as much chaos as possible because that doesn’t hurt the supporters at all does it).

‘He loves our players’ - that’s why despite the most obvious begging you could imagine from the likes of Grimes he didn’t sign them.

And while we’re at it, if he loves the club so much why not attempt to get his current employers to spend money on compensation to us for his services.

He’s as self serving and narcissistic as he was when he was here. It’s all about making himself look good and sod anything else.

He’s doing well there as they have an unbelievably strong squad for this division and he seems to have learnt his lesson a bit and plays in a very different way now to what we saw for much of last year. Good luck to them. I’ve no issue with how he does - I didn’t like him with us as he refused for far too long to play a sensible way with what we had. When he finally gave up his process we went on a great run. If he’d been less stubborn we may have had a play off chance.

Whatever happens, for the love of God, I wish some of our fans would stop with the crush - it’s ridiculous.

Outstanding.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Let’s see how the small posse of Martin fans answer this.

You can't unpick something as deranged as that, so it's pointless even trying.

Bit like Jasper T's claim he kept falling out with Obafemi and Paterson. Never mind that Paterson's argument was with the owners reneging on contract clauses. Or that Obafemi has gone on to cause trouble for Kompany at Burnley.

No, let's just literally make shit up, because the Martin hatred is by now utterly deranged.

The best thing is, most people I've spoken to who were a fan of him while he was here weren't actually all that bothered when he left in the summer. Some of the criticisms levelled at him (3 wins in 23, signing Fisher, couldn't sort out the defence) were entirely valid, and the thought of getting compo for him, even though we haven't had it yet, certainly appealed to me at least.

Why people continue to embellish the valid criticism with outright lies though, is beyond me. If they just stuck to the factuals, they'd be taken a lot more seriously, instead they come across like Matt Le Tissier on steroids. Weirdos.

 

[Cooperman]

You can't unpick something as deranged as that, so it's pointless even trying.

Bit like Jasper T's claim he kept falling out with Obafemi and Paterson. Never mind that Paterson's argument was with the owners reneging on contract clauses. Or that Obafemi has gone on to cause trouble for Kompany at Burnley.

No, let's just literally make s**t up, because the Martin hatred is by now utterly deranged.

The best thing is, most people I've spoken to who were a fan of him while he was here weren't actually all that bothered when he left in the summer. Some of the criticisms levelled at him (3 wins in 23, signing Fisher, couldn't sort out the defence) were entirely valid, and the thought of getting compo for him, even though we haven't had it yet, certainly appealed to me at least.

Why people continue to embellish the valid criticism with outright lies though, is beyond me. If they just stuck to the factuals, they'd be taken a lot more seriously, instead they come across like Matt Le Tissier on steroids. Weirdos.

Have another read then. Start at the paragraph which opens with “Opposition manager spends this week” and tell us what is untrue.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Have another read then. Start at the paragraph which opens with “Opposition manager spends this week” and tell us what is untrue.

I don't need to read it again to know it's deranged. If I must indulge you, then consider that at one point, it's his fault that we haven't yet received compensation.

It's utterly deranged. It's the ramblings of someone with such deep seated hatred towards a person they've almost certainly never met, that it cannot be taken in the slightest bit seriously. Unless of course, you're similarly deranged. In which case, fair enough.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

I don't need to read it again to know it's deranged. If I must indulge you, then consider that at one point, it's his fault that we haven't yet received compensation.

It's utterly deranged. It's the ramblings of someone with such deep seated hatred towards a person they've almost certainly never met, that it cannot be taken in the slightest bit seriously. Unless of course, you're similarly deranged. In which case, fair enough.

lol. I don’t remotely ‘hate him’. I just didn’t think he was a good manager for us. Genuinely.

The shambles that we all watched (or more accurately endured) yesterday afternoon was, in a relatively significant part at least, down to him being not a very good manager for us.

One of our huge problems, and I know it’s one you also think is a problem because you’ve said so a few times that I’ve seen, is Grimes. His role, his ambition or lack of it, his lack of speed, his incessant knack of stopping movement and slowing us right down, even stuff like his seeming aversion to tackling anybody. Much of that is a problem caused by Martin.

The nonsensical desire to make passes for the sake of it, for the sake of stats rather than progress, that’s also Martin. Dangerous passes between the back line and the back line and keeper when they’re often not on, and certainly often not on for the players we have, that’s Martin. Lack of speed and creativity - that’s him. Lack of true width - that’s him. Spending loads of money on some absolute rubbish was down to him.

It is what it is, but honestly, if you think that him saying stuff about us and how awful it was to leave and how difficult it all was with the club was anything other than him playing mind games before playing us, you’re extremely naive. Think back to him taking the piss out of us when he joined Southampton - how we ‘don’t sign players’ etc.

I’m sure he liked aspects of being here and living here and I’m sure it was genuine about the joy in beating Cardiff and having a go at them a few weeks ago about it and that’s great, but he was doing what he was doing this week to win against us. And behind all the ‘oops, sorry about that’ stuff, he will have been absolutely thrilled to stuff us yesterday. Genuinely thrilled. Because he wouldn’t be human if that wasn’t the case.

As an aside - I didn’t say it was his fault that we didn’t get compo, but he could absolutely have made sure we did if he’d wanted to. Simply by saying he wouldn’t sign with them until it was sorted.

People singing the name of any manager who was with us for two short seasons when we came middle of the table both times and had no other connection with the club at all is as embarrassing as the group of our fans who used to sing to Frank Lampard when he was playing for Chelsea against us.

It’s the same people who ‘hate’ Roberto despite the fact that his connection with the club was miles deeper than Martin’s.

 

[Cooperman]

lol. I don’t remotely ‘hate him’. I just didn’t think he was a good manager for us. Genuinely.

The shambles that we all watched (or more accurately endured) yesterday afternoon was, in a relatively significant part at least, down to him being not a very good manager for us.

One of our huge problems, and I know it’s one you also think is a problem because you’ve said so a few times that I’ve seen, is Grimes. His role, his ambition or lack of it, his lack of speed, his incessant knack of stopping movement and slowing us right down, even stuff like his seeming aversion to tackling anybody. Much of that is a problem caused by Martin.

The nonsensical desire to make passes for the sake of it, for the sake of stats rather than progress, that’s also Martin. Dangerous passes between the back line and the back line and keeper when they’re often not on, and certainly often not on for the players we have, that’s Martin. Lack of speed and creativity - that’s him. Lack of true width - that’s him. Spending loads of money on some absolute rubbish was down to him.

It is what it is, but honestly, if you think that him saying stuff about us and how awful it was to leave and how difficult it all was with the club was anything other than him playing mind games before playing us, you’re extremely naive. Think back to him taking the piss out of us when he joined Southampton - how we ‘don’t sign players’ etc.

I’m sure he liked aspects of being here and living here and I’m sure it was genuine about the joy in beating Cardiff and having a go at them a few weeks ago about it and that’s great, but he was doing what he was doing this week to win against us. And behind all the ‘oops, sorry about that’ stuff, he will have been absolutely thrilled to stuff us yesterday. Genuinely thrilled. Because he wouldn’t be human if that wasn’t the case.

As an aside - I didn’t say it was his fault that we didn’t get compo, but he could absolutely have made sure we did if he’d wanted to. Simply by saying he wouldn’t sign with them until it was sorted.

People singing the name of any manager who was with us for two short seasons when we came middle of the table both times and had no other connection with the club at all is as embarrassing as the group of our fans who used to sing to Frank Lampard when he was playing for Chelsea against us.

It’s the same people who ‘hate’ Roberto despite the fact that his connection with the club was miles deeper than Martin’s.

Not in agreement with you there, Lisa. It is wrong to lay a significant portion of blame for Tuesday at the door of RM. We are on our second 'manager' since RM departed and with that comes more than enough opportunity to adjust away from death by Matt Grimes five yard passes. You could easily blame Sheehan for allowing the tactic to continue.

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

Man one thing is for sure our fan base is as much a mess as the club is.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

lol. I don’t remotely ‘hate him’. I just didn’t think he was a good manager for us. Genuinely.

The shambles that we all watched (or more accurately endured) yesterday afternoon was, in a relatively significant part at least, down to him being not a very good manager for us.

One of our huge problems, and I know it’s one you also think is a problem because you’ve said so a few times that I’ve seen, is Grimes. His role, his ambition or lack of it, his lack of speed, his incessant knack of stopping movement and slowing us right down, even stuff like his seeming aversion to tackling anybody. Much of that is a problem caused by Martin.

The nonsensical desire to make passes for the sake of it, for the sake of stats rather than progress, that’s also Martin. Dangerous passes between the back line and the back line and keeper when they’re often not on, and certainly often not on for the players we have, that’s Martin. Lack of speed and creativity - that’s him. Lack of true width - that’s him. Spending loads of money on some absolute rubbish was down to him.

It is what it is, but honestly, if you think that him saying stuff about us and how awful it was to leave and how difficult it all was with the club was anything other than him playing mind games before playing us, you’re extremely naive. Think back to him taking the piss out of us when he joined Southampton - how we ‘don’t sign players’ etc.

I’m sure he liked aspects of being here and living here and I’m sure it was genuine about the joy in beating Cardiff and having a go at them a few weeks ago about it and that’s great, but he was doing what he was doing this week to win against us. And behind all the ‘oops, sorry about that’ stuff, he will have been absolutely thrilled to stuff us yesterday. Genuinely thrilled. Because he wouldn’t be human if that wasn’t the case.

As an aside - I didn’t say it was his fault that we didn’t get compo, but he could absolutely have made sure we did if he’d wanted to. Simply by saying he wouldn’t sign with them until it was sorted.

People singing the name of any manager who was with us for two short seasons when we came middle of the table both times and had no other connection with the club at all is as embarrassing as the group of our fans who used to sing to Frank Lampard when he was playing for Chelsea against us.

It’s the same people who ‘hate’ Roberto despite the fact that his connection with the club was miles deeper than Martin’s.

Five of Boxing Day's starting XI and three of the subs who came on never even met Martin, but that still makes the 5-0 thrashing "in a relatively significant part at least, down to him".

Grimes was just as bland and anodyne under Potter and Cooper and hasn't changed one bit over the years, but yeah Martin's fault.

Lack of speed and creativity and width - I agree, but you may have noticed we spent £8m in the last transfer window. Martin wasn't here for that, but of course, it's still his fault.

Still laying the compo issue at his door when there are countless examples of other managers resigning to join other clubs and letting the two clubs sort it out afterwards, literally that is how football has worked for time immemorial. But sure, it's his fault.

Again - I repeat - there is plenty of criticism you or anyone else could level at Martin during his time here, but this sort of stuff is just batshit crazy 'tinfoil hat' material. It's just so weird.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Rarely has a manager who was here for such a relatively short period in the club’s history and achieved so little commanded so much love and loyalty from some. I just don’t get it.

 

[Cooperman]

Rarely has a manager who was here for such a relatively short period in the club’s history and achieved so little commanded so much love and loyalty from some. I just don’t get it.

It’s because folk could see what he was trying to do. Although nobody can ever explain what this actually means.

I therefore conclude that it’s down to the fan selfies.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Rarely has a manager who was here for such a relatively short period in the club’s history and achieved so little commanded so much love and loyalty from some. I just don’t get it.

The emperors new clothes.

 

[Dillwyn the Dog]

Russell Martin is taking on saint like status, just like saint Michael of Laudrup has.

Fans are proper weird.

You mention Martin in the same sentence as Laudrup. Now that really IS weird. The guy won us a major trophy and took us to Europe FFS!