Martin

[Nocountryforoldjack]

You mention Martin in the same sentence as Laudrup. Now that really IS weird. The guy won us a major trophy and took us to Europe FFS!

Innit

 

[Neath_Jack]

You mention Martin in the same sentence as Laudrup. Now that really IS weird. The guy won us a major trophy and took us to Europe FFS!

Oh oh, someone phone the deity police, quick!

Down boy, down FFS!

 

[Lampeterjack]

lol. I don’t remotely ‘hate him’. I just didn’t think he was a good manager for us. Genuinely.

The shambles that we all watched (or more accurately endured) yesterday afternoon was, in a relatively significant part at least, down to him being not a very good manager for us.

One of our huge problems, and I know it’s one you also think is a problem because you’ve said so a few times that I’ve seen, is Grimes. His role, his ambition or lack of it, his lack of speed, his incessant knack of stopping movement and slowing us right down, even stuff like his seeming aversion to tackling anybody. Much of that is a problem caused by Martin.

The nonsensical desire to make passes for the sake of it, for the sake of stats rather than progress, that’s also Martin. Dangerous passes between the back line and the back line and keeper when they’re often not on, and certainly often not on for the players we have, that’s Martin. Lack of speed and creativity - that’s him. Lack of true width - that’s him. Spending loads of money on some absolute rubbish was down to him.

It is what it is, but honestly, if you think that him saying stuff about us and how awful it was to leave and how difficult it all was with the club was anything other than him playing mind games before playing us, you’re extremely naive. Think back to him taking the piss out of us when he joined Southampton - how we ‘don’t sign players’ etc.

I’m sure he liked aspects of being here and living here and I’m sure it was genuine about the joy in beating Cardiff and having a go at them a few weeks ago about it and that’s great, but he was doing what he was doing this week to win against us. And behind all the ‘oops, sorry about that’ stuff, he will have been absolutely thrilled to stuff us yesterday. Genuinely thrilled. Because he wouldn’t be human if that wasn’t the case.

As an aside - I didn’t say it was his fault that we didn’t get compo, but he could absolutely have made sure we did if he’d wanted to. Simply by saying he wouldn’t sign with them until it was sorted.

People singing the name of any manager who was with us for two short seasons when we came middle of the table both times and had no other connection with the club at all is as embarrassing as the group of our fans who used to sing to Frank Lampard when he was playing for Chelsea against us.

It’s the same people who ‘hate’ Roberto despite the fact that his connection with the club was miles deeper than Martin’s.

That’s some leap that blaming Martin for us being absolute tosh now

Outstanding reading

 

[Dillwyn the Dog]

Oh oh, someone phone the deity police, quick!

Down boy, down FFS!

All I'm saying is that Laudrup achieved big time for us. Best football I've ever seen the Swans play in 50 years. Martin was a grifter who fooled a lot of the fans with endless talk of his "process". And the football was the most uninspiring rubbish we've had since pre Jackett. I don't think what I said was unreasonable, Martin certainly does not deserve the kind of adulation some are giving him on here.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

That’s some leap that blaming Martin for us being absolute tosh now

Outstanding reading

I didn’t blame him, I said he’s a significant part of the reason.

The Martin cult are funny - according to them he managed to install a ‘process’ throughout the club, top to bottom, that radically changed the way we were playing under Cooper and brought back ‘the Swansea Way’ whilst simultaneously not being in any way responsible for the state we find ourselves in a mere 4 months after he left. Make your minds up.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Rarely has a manager who was here for such a relatively short period in the club’s history and achieved so little commanded so much love and loyalty from some. I just don’t get it.

It’s astonishing. I can only imagine that some fans live and die with results against Cardiff. Whatever the cost overall.

 

[Neath_Jack]

All I'm saying is that Laudrup achieved big time for us. Best football I've ever seen the Swans play in 50 years. Martin was a grifter who fooled a lot of the fans with endless talk of his "process". And the football was the most uninspiring rubbish we've had since pre Jackett. I don't think what I said was unreasonable, Martin certainly does not deserve the kind of adulation some are giving him on here.

Yeah that’s great, but my post was in no way comparing what they did or didn’t achieve with us. Still can’t see how you took that from what I posted. No harm done though.

 

[Cooperman]

Oh oh, someone phone the deity police, quick!

Down boy, down FFS!

It was a poor comparison. Choosing Francesco Guidolin is one example who would have been more appropriate.

 

[Neath_Jack]

It was a poor comparison. Choosing Francesco Guidolin is one example who would have been more appropriate.

I've never heard any of our fans put Francesco Guidolin on a pedestal, so no it definitely wouldn't.

 

[Cooperman]

I've never heard any of our fans put Francesco Guidolin on a pedestal, so no it definitely wouldn't.

There were posts on here last summer suggesting that he should be brought back!

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Rarely has a manager who was here for such a relatively short period in the club’s history and achieved so little commanded so much love and loyalty from some. I just don’t get it.

It's not about love or loyalty, it's about trying to make people understand that making stuff up about him to pin all the club's ills on him is just plain weird.

You'd think the evidence of this season so far would be staring them in the face on that front, but apparently not it would seem. Easier to maintain he's a chinwig fraud who should be paying his own compensation for being constructively dismissed.

 

[Cooperman]

It's not about love or loyalty, it's about trying to make people understand that making stuff up about him to pin all the club's ills on him is just plain weird.

You'd think the evidence of this season so far would be staring them in the face on that front, but apparently not it would seem. Easier to maintain he's a chinwig fraud who should be paying his own compensation for being constructively dismissed.

ECB could have written this in mid March and it would have still been relevant.

 

[Neath_Jack]

There were posts on here last summer suggesting that he should be brought back!

A couple of posts on here are no way comparable to the current 'Russell Martin is the messiah' with a large (and growing) section of our fanbase.

 

[Cooperman]

A couple of posts on here are no way comparable to the current 'Russell Martin is the messiah' with a large (and growing) section of our fanbase.

It is more than a few posts on here. Both Martin and Guidolin deserve nothing more than a page or two in the SCFC book of history, this is why I suggested the comparison as more appropriate. Laudrup, on the other hand deserves a dedicated chapter (for his successes).

 

[Neath_Jack]

It is more than a few posts on here. Both Martin and Guidolin deserve nothing more than a page or two in the SCFC book of history, this is why I suggested the comparison as more appropriate. Laudrup, on the other hand deserves a dedicated chapter (for his successes).

Not sure if you’re deliberately not getting it, but please read my reply to the dog fella, you’re barking up the wrong tree as well.