Piroe

[Glyn1]

We all agree that he's one of the good guys as a person, and will score 10 to 20 goals for us over the season, so do we want to keep him or get rid of him? There are mixed messages on this site.

 

[Longlostjack]

We all agree that he's one of the good guys as a person, and will score 10 to 20 goals for us over the season, so do we want to keep him or get rid of him? There are mixed messages on this site.

Normally he has to be sold to balance the books. The problem for all clubs is that everyone is waiting for the last flurry of activity before the transfer window closes. The whole thing is a complete joke. It doesn’t only affect the Swans of course. Surely it would be more sensible to close transfer window 2 weeks before season starts? Open it again on last day of season?
But money rules.

Should have offered him a one year extension at the end of his first season with a release clause.

Wine editing necessary!

 

[Swanjaxs]

Who remembers the transfer window pre-season 2013, clubs sniffing around Michu after he turned many heads the season just gone, weeks of speculation but no bids forthcoming.
Eventually, during one of Michael Laudrup's press conferences he was asked the question of whether he thinks Michu will be around for the coming season?
His answer.
"If we have no acceptable bids in one week before the transfer window shuts he will be going nowhere" (or words to that effect).

This should now apply with Piroe imho...

 

[monmouth]

Who remembers the transfer window pre-season 2013, clubs sniffing around Michu after he turned many heads the season just gone, weeks of speculation but no bids forthcoming.
Eventually, during one of Michael Laudrup's press conferences he was asked the question of whether he thinks Michu will be around for the coming season?
His answer.
"If we have no acceptable bids in one week before the transfer window shuts he will be going nowhere" (or words to that effect).

This should now apply with Piroe imho...

That would only be the thinking if we're happy to get nothing for him rather than whatever we can get. If he was on a three year contract then yes, we could say that. Impossible now. If we get a half decent offer in the last hour we will take it imo. We don't hold the best cards, unlike with Michu at that time.

 

[Swanjaxs]

That would only be the thinking if we're happy to get nothing for him rather than whatever we can get. If he was on a three year contract then yes, we could say that. Impossible now. If we get a half decent offer in the last hour we will take it imo. We don't hold the best cards, unlike with Michu at that time.

All of which is true, but my slante is on how losing a player of Piroes influence on deadline day would impact our season, we'd get decent money but would literally kiss goodbye to doing anything promotion wise.
Laudrup could see losing Michu at such a late stage would be more than the monies worth, perhaps we should hold the same reasoning with the Piroe situation?

 

[Itchysphincter]

All of which is true, but my slante is on how losing a player of Piroes influence on deadline day would impact our season, we'd get decent money but would literally kiss goodbye to doing anything promotion wise.
Laudrup could see losing Michu at such a late stage would be more than the monies worth, perhaps we should hold the same reasoning with the Piroe situation?

Of course it would. I’ve never understood why our fans always want to flog off any player of value that we have. As fans we should want to see the best players stay and push us up the league. Piroe’s goals won’t be replaced by buying someone with the kind of money we’re looking at selling him for.

 

[monmouth]

Of course it would. I’ve never understood why our fans always want to flog off any player of value that we have. As fans we should want to see the best players stay and push us up the league. Piroe’s goals won’t be replaced by buying someone with the kind of money we’re looking at selling him for.

I'd rather he signed a new contract than flog him off. If he doesn't it's simply a matter of whether we would 'rent' a Piroe for a year for the opportunity cost, or whether we'd rather put a fee towards a longer term replacement now that will have to happen next year anyway...plus accounting for the possibility that a Piroe might be the difference between promotion and no promotion. I think the club (in their eyes) has already replaced him with Yates and the Unpronounceable guy, plus keeping Cullen, so they will take an offer, unless it's totally derisory.

 

[Itchysphincter]

I'd rather he signed a new contract than flog him off. If he doesn't it's simply a matter of whether we would 'rent' a Piroe for a year for the opportunity cost, or whether we'd rather put a fee towards a longer term replacement now that will have to happen next year anyway...plus accounting for the possibility that a Piroe might be the difference between promotion and no promotion. I think the club (in their eyes) has already replaced him with Yates and the Unpronounceable guy, plus keeping Cullen, so they will take an offer, unless it's totally derisory.

I think you’re right but I don’t see any of the three that would be left replacing the quantity of goals. Piroe is a special player at this level.

 

[jasper_T]

Of course it would. I’ve never understood why our fans always want to flog off any player of value that we have. As fans we should want to see the best players stay and push us up the league. Piroe’s goals won’t be replaced by buying someone with the kind of money we’re looking at selling him for.

As fans we should want the club to stay solvent as well.

 

[Swanjaxs]

As fans we should want the club to stay solvent as well.

And sometimes clubs have to take calculated risks to achieve its goal, promotion back to the Premier league isn't going to fall into ours or anybodies laps, sometimes the risk is worth taking...

 

[jasper_T]

And sometimes clubs have to take calculated risks to achieve its goal, promotion back to the Premier league isn't going to fall into ours or anybodies laps, sometimes the risk is worth taking...

We had a £20m operations deficit on the last published accounts, risks are already taken. Player trading profits are an essential part of the business if it's not to get itself into trouble. Free money from investors doesn't last forever.

 

[Swanjaxs]

We had a £20m operations deficit on the last published accounts, risks are already taken. Player trading profits are an essential part of the business if it's not to get itself into trouble. Free money from investors doesn't last forever.

Yes, but losing a 20+ goals a season player on deadline day would be to much of a risk going forward imho

 

[Cooperman]

We had a £20m operations deficit on the last published accounts, risks are already taken. Player trading profits are an essential part of the business if it's not to get itself into trouble. Free money from investors doesn't last forever.

This is the unfortunate reality. Given the opportunity to do so, I would think that we would sell him nine times out of ten. Keeping him now and losing him for free in summer 2024 is a gamble that we are likely to lose.

The gamble going the other way is to spend £1m to £2m on an unknown in the hope that they become the next Piroe.

Which scenario is more likely?

 

[JackSomething]

This is the unfortunate reality. Given the opportunity to do so, I would think that we would sell him nine times out of ten. Keeping him now and losing him for free in summer 2024 is a gamble that we are likely to lose.

The gamble going the other way is to spend £1m to £2m on an unknown in the hope that they become the next Piroe.

Which scenario is more likely?

Yep. There was speculation that the summer links with other clubs were coming more from Swansea and Piroe's camp than from anywhere else. Add those to how he's talked about by Duff in interviews, it seems pretty clear the club are desperate to sell him.

Would the new contract rumours tie into that, in trying to encourage clubs to bid now? I can't see him signing a new contract here given the money he could earn next summer when out of contract.

I'd love to keep him, but not if it means gambling with the finances of the club.

 

[Itchysphincter]

As fans we should want the club to stay solvent as well.

Yes, it’s a balance, but your answer is glib. Does our solvency depend on selling Piroe? Tell us….

Either we sell and then have to replace his goals, or we sell and consider that we have already replaced his goals with our summer signings. Which is it?