Season 24/25 | The Official Match Thread | Sheffield Wednesday 0 Swansea City 0 | EFL Championship

[Smurph]

Awfully harsh on Eom and Vipotnik, especially Eom. The rest are all up for debate, Ronald looked half lively today, but Eom looked really solid before his injury.

I'm in a minority of 1 on here, but I think Vipotnik will turn into a good player. He's obviously not particularly mobile, so he needs the ball around the 18 yard box which he literally never gets. He's consistently turning with the ball 40 yards from goal, laying it off, and not seeing it again

I think it would help the lad if we played someone up top alongside him

 

[eteb]

Awfully harsh on Eom and Vipotnik, especially Eom. The rest are all up for debate, Ronald looked half lively today, but Eom looked really solid before his injury.

I'm in a minority of 1 on here, but I think Vipotnik will turn into a good player. He's obviously not particularly mobile, so he needs the ball around the 18 yard box which he literally never gets. He's consistently turning with the ball 40 yards from goal, laying it off, and not seeing it again

What has he done to merit that?

Being able to control and lay off a pass is the bare minimum at this level, bare minimum. He's an international ffs.

His positioning is dreadful, never near to the ball, can't win a header, can't pass or dribble, looks a stone overweight.

we need to cut our losses on him in January. Kukha and Yates were light years better

 

[WentToSchoolWith]

I think it would help the lad if we played someone up top alongside him

Agreed, I don't rate Cullen at all, but he is decent off the ball and (comparative to Vip), pretty nippy.

What has he done to merit that?

Being able to control and lay off a pass is the bare minimum at this level, bare minimum. He's an international ffs.

His positioning is dreadful, never near to the ball, can't win a header, can't pass or dribble, looks a stone overweight.

we need to cut our losses on him in January. Kukha and Yates were light years better

I'm not claiming that springing a ball out wide is a talent of his game, I'm highlighting that it's all he does, without being able to show any of his finishing ability. I honestly can't remember him having a decent change since he's been here other than his goal against Preston.

Cutting our losses on a highly rated striker who has been less than 5 full games is ridiculously short sighted. If he was air kicking at the end of the season, fair enough, but he's played 418 minutes.

On that, Williams needs to sort out who starts up front. Doesn't help either of them to rotate Cullen and Vip every week. Stick with Vip, actually out some crosses into him, and we might be on to something.

 

[eteb]

Agreed, I don't rate Cullen at all, but he is decent off the ball and (comparative to Vip), pretty nippy.


I'm not claiming that springing a ball out wide is a talent of his game, I'm highlighting that it's all he does, without being able to show any of his finishing ability. I honestly can't remember him having a decent change since he's been here other than his goal against Preston.

Cutting our losses on a highly rated striker who has been less than 5 full games is ridiculously short sighted. If he was air kicking at the end of the season, fair enough, but he's played 418 minutes.

On that, Williams needs to sort out who starts up front. Doesn't help either of them to rotate Cullen and Vip every week. Stick with Vip, actually out some crosses into him, and we might be on to something.

He needs to do something because what he's doing is not working. Has the bloke ever tried a different formation?

Abdulai was ok today but he is not a winger.

We've got nobody who will beat a man and drive forward. They all look for the simple
Short pass

 

[eteb]

Im also coming to the realisation that grimes is a big big problem.

We need to try a game without him as we are just hardwired to pass him the ball for him to do fuck all with it.

we need a captain to give people a bollocking, not a cowering mouse

 

[sainthelens]

This constant defending of Vipotnik is baffling and beyond mental. The guy is fckn useless. You've all seen enough dross upfront over the years. Yes, we aren't creating chances, but he has no movement/awareness/guts/pace. Not playing to his strengths?? WTF are they ?

 

[A4Jack]

Every single one of those 5 players would walk into the current side. And it's not even close.

Awfully harsh on our current crop. We've seen Bianchini for less than 200 minutes (I believe) and Pintado probably scored less than 15 in 2 seasons. Yates level.

Perhaps it's the tools not being sweated quite hard enough? Can you honestly say no manager would do better with our attackers than this?

 

[Swanjaxs]

What a mess we find ourselves in, I'll be amazed if we beat the drop this season, we really are that poor...

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

No win in 5, no goal in how long ?
We are in a false position and we are in trouble pal.

But we're not in trouble. We're 13th.

It feels worse, because we're not looking like scoring goals. But we're actually defending quite well and we're competitive in nearly all the games, we're staying in games and giving ourselves a chance of getting something.

If we were losing our shape and conceding goals then I'd be worried. But we're not.

We're a classic mid-table side.

 

[Skippyjack]

Im also coming to the realisation that grimes is a big big problem.

We need to try a game without him as we are just hardwired to pass him the ball for him to do fuck all with it.

we need a captain to give people a bollocking, not a cowering mouse

Only now you're realising.. I've been banging this drum years ago, I said 5 at the back gets roasted, because Cabango and Darling are not quick enough years ago.. I said we need to score another goal during games because by law of averages we'll concede, hey presto, the theory of law of averages has come to fruition.. I've been posting on here for 15 years, and I've been like nostradamus.. but the championship is easy pickings because it really isn't a good standard and players are earning more than some French top division sides and la Liga sides.. and they'll trounce us..

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Awfully harsh on our current crop. We've seen Bianchini for less than 200 minutes (I believe) and Pintado probably scored less than 15 in 2 seasons. Yates level.

Perhaps it's the tools not being sweated quite hard enough? Can you honestly say no manager would do better with our attackers than this?

To be fair to Pintado, he was a backup striker in all the time he was here behind Scotland and then Trundle/Kuqi. In that context his contribution across 2 seasons was quite reasonable.

Anyway....back to the current crop, I don't think it's harsh at all. Have seen enough crap down the years to know more of it when I see it. Bianchini's cameo v Stoke was one of the worst I've ever seen with and without the ball and he's been hopeless the other times I've seen him too, and every time I've seen Vipotnik he's been completely anonymous.

We need to be realistic. We have traded incredibly badly in forward areas in the past 12 months. There is no dressing it up.

 

[WentToSchoolWith]

Only now you're realising.. I've been banging this drum years ago, I said 5 at the back gets roasted, because Cabango and Darling are not quick enough years ago.. I said we need to score another goal during games because by law of averages we'll concede, hey presto, the theory of law of averages has come to fruition.. I've been posting on here for 15 years, and I've been like nostradamus.. but the championship is easy pickings because it really isn't a good standard and players are earning more than some French top division sides and la Liga sides.. and they'll trounce us..

It's almost like people ignore you because of your absurdly patronising tone

 

[Skippyjack]

It's almost like people ignore you because of your absurdly patronising tone

Patronizing.. I am the poster who everyone has a pop at, literally everyone, honestly, in my life you see mate, everyone calls me useless, rubbish, not good enough, doesn't know what he's on about, no skills, no prospects, rejection, rejection, rejection, and I will keep being that patronizing little c*nt everyone thinks I am.. I'm a different breed, if you're not up to standard I will question everything, because it's what people do to me in everyday life, these millionaire second division c*nts are useless, fair play to them though, making millions when they can't play a simple 5 yard pass, I just smirk

 

[RodgerTheDodger]

People are surprised at the lack of goals, but they really shouldn't be. It is now obvious how to defend against this way of playing, and even an on form Michu would get nothing. You can't expect front players, or wingers, to do much if by the time they receive the ball the opposition defence has organized its zones and they are tight marked.

Development of play is painfully slow, calendar speed. Grimes thinks he's keeping the ball, the opposition think he's giving them time to get organized before they receive an attack.

 

[mrploppy]

Only now you're realising.. I've been banging this drum years ago, I said 5 at the back gets roasted, because Cabango and Darling are not quick enough years ago.. I said we need to score another goal during games because by law of averages we'll concede, hey presto, the theory of law of averages has come to fruition.. I've been posting on here for 15 years, and I've been like nostradamus.. but the championship is easy pickings because it really isn't a good standard and players are earning more than some French top division sides and la Liga sides.. and they'll trounce us..

Grimes .... aaarrrgghhhh.

If ever there was a game where he should have been subbed it was today. He was proper awful. SW's best chance in the first half, from which they should have scored, was the result of him faffing around and losing possession. The sad thing is, he's never getting subbed. He's never getting benched either. So we're basically stuck.