The US elections

[J_B]

I agree that he’s very good at selling this vision when women knew their place and “woke” (their definition of it) hadn’t been invented.
Young black men apparently bought into this in a big way. The fact that they have nothing in common with Trump (apart from loving the alpha male idea) makes no difference.

Farage is doing the same here but isn’t able to take over an established political party in the way that Trump has. If the Tories continue to lurch to the right he could conceivably become a Tory Prime Minister at some time in the future.

We should be wary.

 

[JackSomething]

I have a question and it’s partly rhetorical.

Do you yearn for society that is “back in the day” do you have a nostalgia for another time when things were simpler?

Well what Trump does is sell this vision as something that can happen and people believe it.

Populism is not achievable but you can understand the allure to a degree.

I think that in years to come (if humanity survives!), we'll look back on Donald Trump and consider what he achieved (twice!) to be one of the great political achievements of our times.

He's been rich all his life and has spent his life making no attempt to hide the fact that lining his pockets was his number 1 goal, often at the expense of the working man. Yet somehow he's made millions of working class people believe that he's a man of the people and is on their side, he's going to drain the swamp, etc. Even despite four years of evidence that he did nothing of the sort and instead mostly focused on things that would make him, his family and his rich friends even richer, people still believe him.

You've got to admire it, while also shaking your head at how easily fooled so many people are. This is not to say the Democrats are any better of course, but they don't try to position themselves the way Trump has.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

I agree that he’s very good at selling this vision when women knew their place and “woke” (their definition of it) hadn’t been invented.
Young black men apparently bought into this in a big way. The fact that they have nothing in common with Trump (apart from loving the alpha male idea) makes no difference.

Farage is doing the same here but isn’t able to take over an established political party in the way that Trump has. If the Tories continue to lurch to the right he could conceivably become a Tory Prime Minister at some time in the future.

We should be wary.

We absolutely should be wary, it’s incredibly naive to think this couldn’t happen here because it already is. Trump and those who control him identified an established political apparatus and voter base, infiltrated it, took it over and basically made it unrecognisable from what it once was. This Republican Party bears no resemblance to that of even Reagan.

I was convinced that Johnson’s 2019 majority of 80 would take two elections for Labour to overturn but they did it in one. But (the Tories’ staggering incompetence and corruption aside) that was in large part made possible by the rise of Reform and the splitting of the right wing vote. There are still those who deny the Tories’ track to the populist right in the wake of the rise of Reform, possibly because they’ve gone that way themselves and they’re either embarrassed to admit it or simply don’t recognise it. I’ve even seen it said that the last set of Tory governments were “centre left” which is frankly the most idiotic and batshit mental thing I think I’ve ever seen written on politics. They’ve now elected a full on populist culture warrior as their leader and eschewed the few more centrist candidates as soon as they could.

The modern Tory Party is absolutely ripe for a merger/takeover by Farage or some other charismatic populist who ultimately offers nothing but empty and unworkable rhetoric but the bulk of their voter base will lap it up. Reform will never win power here as Reform but they absolutely could, and probably will at some point, as a version of what was once the Conservative Party.

So there’s no point pointing and laughing at the USA and putting our fingers in our ears saying it couldn't happen here. It could and probably will and we’re already a significant part of the way along that road. Look at the popular support, and justification the recent riots got from the apologists. The question the sensible majority in this country should be asking ourselves is what can we do to stop it.

Apologies for the ramble.

 

[rockinj]

The thing that is underestimated and ECB is making some good arguments is that the youth in this Country are increasingly shifting to the right. A charismatic right wing populist without baggage could be alluring to many and we know the old love voting right.

 

[rockinj]

Hard right is seen as “cool” now. I mean look at the state of the left. It had a purpose at one time with the industrial belt and unions. Now it’s for pinkos who wants that? Bar a very small minority.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Hard right is seen as “cool” now. I mean look at the state of the left. It had a purpose at one time with the industrial belt and unions. Now it’s for pinkos who wants that? Bar a very small minority.

The pernicious influence of Twitter since Musk took it on can’t he overstated. He’s won in the States. It’ll be Britain next. Again, it’s already begun.

 

[DJack]

We absolutely should be wary, it’s incredibly naive to think this couldn’t happen here because it already is. Trump and those who control him identified an established political apparatus and voter base, infiltrated it, took it over and basically made it unrecognisable from what it once was. This Republican Party bears no resemblance to that of even Reagan.

I was convinced that Johnson’s 2019 majority of 80 would take two elections for Labour to overturn but they did it in one. But (the Tories’ staggering incompetence and corruption aside) that was in large part made possible by the rise of Reform and the splitting of the right wing vote. There are still those who deny the Tories’ track to the populist right in the wake of the rise of Reform, possibly because they’ve gone that way themselves and they’re either embarrassed to admit it or simply don’t recognise it. I’ve even seen it said that the last set of Tory governments were “centre left” which is frankly the most idiotic and batshit mental thing I think I’ve ever seen written on politics. They’ve now elected a full on populist culture warrior as their leader and eschewed the few more centrist candidates as soon as they could.

The modern Tory Party is absolutely ripe for a merger/takeover by Farage or some other charismatic populist who ultimately offers nothing but empty and unworkable rhetoric but the bulk of their voter base will lap it up. Reform will never win power here as Reform but they absolutely could, and probably will at some point, as a version of what was once the Conservative Party.

So there’s no point pointing and laughing at the USA and putting our fingers in our ears saying it couldn't happen here. It could and probably will and we’re already a significant part of the way along that road. Look at the popular support, and justification the recent riots got from the apologists. The question the sensible majority in this country should be asking ourselves is what can we do to stop it.

Apologies for the ramble.

The media-space in the western world is predominantly controlled by rightwing asshats who butter up useful idiot politicians and gaslight the general population.

The writing is on the wall.

 

[rockinj]

The pernicious influence of Twitter since Musk took it on can’t he overstated. He’s won in the States. It’ll be Britain next. Again, it’s already begun.

Oh absolutely. The modern Murdoch and probably even more dangerous and toxic.

 

[Niigata Jack]

We absolutely should be wary, it’s incredibly naive to think this couldn’t happen here because it already is. Trump and those who control him identified an established political apparatus and voter base, infiltrated it, took it over and basically made it unrecognisable from what it once was. This Republican Party bears no resemblance to that of even Reagan.

I was convinced that Johnson’s 2019 majority of 80 would take two elections for Labour to overturn but they did it in one. But (the Tories’ staggering incompetence and corruption aside) that was in large part made possible by the rise of Reform and the splitting of the right wing vote. There are still those who deny the Tories’ track to the populist right in the wake of the rise of Reform, possibly because they’ve gone that way themselves and they’re either embarrassed to admit it or simply don’t recognise it. I’ve even seen it said that the last set of Tory governments were “centre left” which is frankly the most idiotic and batshit mental thing I think I’ve ever seen written on politics. They’ve now elected a full on populist culture warrior as their leader and eschewed the few more centrist candidates as soon as they could.

The modern Tory Party is absolutely ripe for a merger/takeover by Farage or some other charismatic populist who ultimately offers nothing but empty and unworkable rhetoric but the bulk of their voter base will lap it up. Reform will never win power here as Reform but they absolutely could, and probably will at some point, as a version of what was once the Conservative Party.

So there’s no point pointing and laughing at the USA and putting our fingers in our ears saying it couldn't happen here. It could and probably will and we’re already a significant part of the way along that road. Look at the popular support, and justification the recent riots got from the apologists. The question the sensible majority in this country should be asking ourselves is what can we do to stop it.

Apologies for the ramble.

I'm keeping this till bedtime it'll be nice bit of reading that'll help me to sleep

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Oh absolutely. The modern Murdoch and probably even more dangerous and toxic.

Undoubtedly more dangerous. His reach is worldwide ams not limited to the printed word. With Musk and Twitter, no way Trump wins yesterday.

 

[Niigata Jack]

Undoubtedly more dangerous. His reach is worldwide ams not limited to the printed word. With Musk and Twitter, no way Trump wins yesterday.

What's Trumps plans though, withdraw military aid from Ukraine and try and distance the US from Nato and cwtch up to Putin etc, that's the worry?

 

[Skippyjack]

Undoubtedly more dangerous. His reach is worldwide ams not limited to the printed word. With Musk and Twitter, no way Trump wins yesterday.

Well after seeing millions of left wing nutters on twitter are predicting the next Armageddon on a platform that Musk owns.. surely if he was dangerous, he'd literally ban them all.. that's when it'll get dangerous if he starts banning them all

 

[JackSomething]

Well after seeing millions of left wing nutters on twitter are predicting the next Armageddon on a platform that Musk owns.. surely if he was dangerous, he'd literally ban them all.. that's when it'll get dangerous if he starts banning them all

Why would he ban them? They're giving him exactly what he wants, leaving the two sides fighting each other instead of concentrating on the real problems.

 

[Skippyjack]

Why would he ban them? They're giving him exactly what he wants, leaving the two sides fighting each other instead of concentrating on the real problems.

Good point, but I'm just saying, if he decides to marginalise one group over another due to political beliefs.. it's a stepping stone to control and censoring

 

[Swanjaxs]

Elon Musk, future President of the USofA, absolutely nailed on