U.S. Republican Voters Against Trump

[Best_loser]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HvUHLn0iTA8

 

[Trampie]

https://rvat.org/

I've been reading through the messages on this site and I'm still not sure if it's a genuinely important movement or something that is just a publicity stunt. I'm hoping that Tummer or other American Jacks can provide that information.

If you haven't heard about it yet, it's a group of people who voted for President Trump in 2016 but will be voting against him in 2020 and they explain their reasoning. Politicians are excluded from leaving messages so they are all statements from ordinary people.

You can sort the messages by State, so I looked at those by people in Texas (where Tummer is located, I didn't expect him to be on it but you have to start somewhere) such as Tommy (43, life-long Republican who has never voted Democrat) and Monica (pro-life Evangelical with a son in the military). These aren't floating voters who easily switch their allegiances but are decent, hard-working people who continue to have strong Republican-conservative views. Listening to them, a couple of things have struck me. One is that their views are recognisably conservative but seem to have little in common with those of Trump. Perhaps worse, they don't even seem to have much to do with the Republican political leadership, who appear to me to change their views daily based on whatever Trump has tweeted that morning.

Also, that you can no longer (if you ever could) predict someone's views on a range of topics based on their political allegiance. A lot of people giving their stories on this site are fiscally conservative but socially liberal, and I'm willing to bet that the opposite would apply to Democrat voters as well, and to people in this country.

Republican Voters Against Trump may or may not be important, especially as 90% of Republican voters in polls have stated that they will vote for him again, but the level of contempt and disgust aimed at Trump from these proudly conservative citizens did genuinely amaze me.

One of their recent television ads contrasted Reagan with Trump (Anyone have a link?) and I guess it's those Reagan conservatives that this group is trying to influence.

This may not be a portent of any significant change, but perhaps it's like the breaking of the "red Wall" in the north of England in our last general election, when so many Labour voters switched over to Johnson.

Who people should vote for based on what policies they clearly support they often don't vote for.
I remember a dozen or more years ago there was an online thing that told you who you should vote for based on your views, you was asked something like 40 questions and they would look at all the parties manifestos and say in 1,2,3 order what party suits your views best based on that parties election manifesto.
On an old rugby forum I posted on at the time I was perceived as left wing the other 7 or 8 regular political posters would often challenge my views, some would say that they were Labour voters, some only ever voted Labour but might vote Lib-Dem, some would say that they had no political allegiance etc etc yet in every single case they were right wing, they had right wing views on most political topics, if I said you are a Tory you are, no I'm not I'm Labour I've never voted Tory blah blah blah.
So anyway I did this online thing and came out Plaid 1, Green 2 and SDLP I think it was 3, I was quite impressed as i thought it had got me right at the time, so I put it to the political regulars on this old rugby site to have a go being sure that they would come out as right wing and in every single case I was right, these Labour voters were coming out as Tories, Kippers and Ulster unionists, they believed in right wing policies but voted Labour, they voted for a 'brand', now I see the same on the old planet Swans and on here, people have become Tories and Republicans and are starting to except it and are coming out of the cupboard, people going to university, living longer, owning their own homes they are becoming Tories/Republicans when the only reason they are in that position is because of socialist policies in the past, add to the mix the right wing becoming populist with make America great again and taking back control over here both with racist overtones of if you are struggling or don't have a job it's Johnny foreigners fault and promises of stopping that from happening, building walls, cutting immigration etc
The right wing has been winning the argument and sweeping the board with the help of social media and Murdoch, will that phenomenon continue I wonder or will things change back ?

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Those political compass things are outdated and mostly worthless. They lack nuance and are broad brush. A waste of time.

 

[JacketJack]

Even if we believe that voter fraud takes place why is it only Democrats that commit it?

Well, not so much.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/07/20/trump-republican-election-fraud/
But to be fair, you had a 50/50 chance. Although this is common knowledge here in the states. On top of it all, our minority rule close polling places and ballot drop boxes. Additionally, those afore mentioned ballot boxes are being augmented by illegal Republican Party drop boxes that they promise are just a public service

 

[J_B]

Even if we believe that voter fraud takes place why is it only Democrats that commit it?

Well, not so much.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/07/20/trump-republican-election-fraud/
But to be fair, you had a 50/50 chance. Although this is common knowledge here in the states. On top of it all, our minority rule close polling places and ballot drop boxes. Additionally, those afore mentioned ballot boxes are being augmented by illegal Republican Party drop boxes that they promise are just a public service

Well yes, that was my point to Tummer who seemed to imply that only Dems indulge in voter fraud.

 

[Best_loser]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cook-political-report-biden-victory

 

[MajorR]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cook-political-report-biden-victory

Owned by the same people who own The Sun and the News Of The World until they closed it down, enough said.

 

[Professor]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cook-political-report-biden-victory

Owned by the same people who own The Sun and the News Of The World until they closed it down, enough said.

As is the NY Post who have led the Hunter Biden ‘revelations’.

 

[MajorR]

Owned by the same people who own The Sun and the News Of The World until they closed it down, enough said.

As is the NY Post who have led the Hunter Biden ‘revelations’.

That’s good to know, thanks for sharing.

 

[Best_loser]

Poor Donny, the last week of his farewell tour and he can't mention the stock market
Another terrible day of massive covid infections , worst president in history

 

[Best_loser]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3BpV8JklgY4

 

[thursday]

I'm the last person to defend that rancorous, fetid, globular, decrepit, marmaladed, bog-born, paper-skinned, writhing turd, but who here among us hasn't had a sneaky peek at the sun?

 

[Glyn1]

Sorry Glyn - I had not seen this thread until now.

Haven't heard of many "Never Trump" Republicans, at least not regular people. He's consistently held a 96% approval rating among registered Republicans.

There are certainly, however, a lot of establishment, Never Trump Republicans in our government, most notably Mitt Romney. They are the ones who are as guilty as any Democrats of being "swamp rats" who've corruptly lived off lobbyists' money for decades. Trump is a threat to them.

You're the expert about this Tummer, so I can't comment except to say that all the Republican Texans on that site seemed like regular people. Anyway I'll be staying awake to watch what happens in the Lone Star State.

 

[thursday]

Not sure if Tummer is talking about Republicans in Texas or is using a different poll; Gallup has had Trump's approval rating averaging in the mid-to-mid-high 80s with Republicans during his tenure. His non-election-year ratings with Republicans bounced around high 70s to low 90s. His current rating is at 95%, but it's election time. His current rating with Democrats is at 3%.

Sorry Glyn - I had not seen this thread until now.

Haven't heard of many "Never Trump" Republicans, at least not regular people. He's consistently held a 96% approval rating among registered Republicans.

There are certainly, however, a lot of establishment, Never Trump Republicans in our government, most notably Mitt Romney. They are the ones who are as guilty as any Democrats of being "swamp rats" who've corruptly lived off lobbyists' money for decades. Trump is a threat to them.

You're the expert about this Tummer, so I can't comment except to say that all the Republican Texans on that site seemed like regular people. Anyway I'll be staying awake to watch what happens in the Lone Star State.