Vitor on the problem of his coaches.

[jack_lord]

I will never cease to be darkly amused by the irony that the biggest leave vote in Wales was from Blaenau Gwent, the area that received more EU funds than anywhere else in Wales.

It was quite astonishing when you break it down. Of course it is also linked to the lies regarding immigration and boat people that swayed the vote and those same people are all looking at voting reform because they are going to stop the boats

 

[jack_lord]

And would the uk economy be 80 billion a year better off as per independent official estimates, not some fuckwit yank?

80 billion is an incredible figure - why can't that be posted on every social media platform and bus around the UK

 

[monmouth]

80 billion is an incredible figure - why can't that be posted on every social media platform and bus around the UK

The biggest economic act of self harm in modern history and no material tangible benefits. Not one.

ps that figure is relying on my memory, hence the question mark, but it's at least 4% of GDP.

"reducing GDP by an estimated 4-8%, slashing investment by 12-18%, decreasing productivity by 3-4%, and lowering trade by around 15% compared to remaining in the EU, leading to weaker growth and a persistent economic drag, particularly in investment and R&D, making the UK less competitive"

 

[jack_lord]

The biggest economic act of self harm in modern history and no material tangible benefits. Not one.

ps that figure is relying on my memory, hence the question mark, but it's at least 4% of GDP.

"reducing GDP by an estimated 4-8%, slashing investment by 12-18%, decreasing productivity by 3-4%, and lowering trade by around 15% compared to remaining in the EU, leading to weaker growth and a persistent economic drag, particularly in investment and R&D, making the UK less competitive"

Yes, the OBR (remember them) estimated a reduction in GDP of 4% while some estimates are, as highlighted as high as 8%.
Bloomberg have analysis showing over £100 million worse off each year.
This one is the one that hits the pocket. The average Briton was nearly £2,000 worse off in 2023 as a result of Brexit.
The Daily Fail have had a field day with the latest budget and saying how people could be a couple of hundred worse off. I want to know why the above figures and on the fron of that toilet paper.

 

[BendJack]

Ignorant of what?

Answer this question:

If Brexit hadn't have happened, would the coaches need permits / visas?

I don't normally like answering questions with questions, but to best understand, answer this question:

How many other teams with foreign managers who are waiting on foreign backroom staff have experienced the same delays as Swansea?

If Brexit was to blame, as claimed, then no team in the UK would have foreign players, coaches or managers? Right?

Brexit isn't to blame here -- it's an excuse. A simple and convenient scapegoat to something else.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

I don't normally like answering questions with questions, but to best understand, answer this question:

How many other teams with foreign managers who are waiting on foreign backroom staff have experienced the same delays as Swansea?

If Brexit was to blame, as claimed, then no team in the UK would have foreign players, coaches or managers? Right?

Brexit isn't to blame here -- it's an excuse. A simple and convenient scapegoat to something else.

I notice you swerved the question. So I'll amswer it for you - prior to brexit these Portuguese nationals had freedom of movement rights to work and live in the UK.

Since brexit, that is no longer the case. They can freely work elsewhere in the EU but not the UK.

NO Brexit: freedom for EU nationals to work in UK.

Brexit: no automatic right for EU nationals to work in UK. Hence these issues we now have.

Simple.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

I don't normally like answering questions with questions, but to best understand, answer this question:

How many other teams with foreign managers who are waiting on foreign backroom staff have experienced the same delays as Swansea?

If Brexit was to blame, as claimed, then no team in the UK would have foreign players, coaches or managers? Right?

Brexit isn't to blame here -- it's an excuse. A simple and convenient scapegoat to something else.

Brexit is to blame in that there would be no requirement for work permits for Portuguese staff without Brexit- there was freedom of movement.

Brexit is not to blame for ranking various world football leagues and choosing which ones are valid in providing work experience that counts towards automatic ability to work in this country.

Our issue is not that we’ve employed foreign coaches, it’s that the ones we are attempting to hire are from a league that is not recognised as being good enough.

But if we were in the EU it wouldn’t matter.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

I don't normally like answering questions with questions, but to best understand, answer this question:

How many other teams with foreign managers who are waiting on foreign backroom staff have experienced the same delays as Swansea?

If Brexit was to blame, as claimed, then no team in the UK would have foreign players, coaches or managers? Right?

Brexit isn't to blame here -- it's an excuse. A simple and convenient scapegoat to something else.

And for completeness I'll answer your question. There are ways that clubs can hire EU nationals as staff - Matos himself being one. However due to Brexit, working here is no longer possible for some (people working outside of top tier leagues).

Again simple- no Brexit and the staff are able to come. Brexit and the club need some sort of special dispensation which is not a certainty.

 

[BendJack]

I didn't swerve your question. It's called context. A counter to your argument. It's common knowledge afterall that foreign EU nationals could work in the UK freely -- that didn't need an answer, clearly.

You, however, HAVE swerved my question. Re-read it and respond. I'll wait.

 

[J_B]

I don't normally like answering questions with questions, but to best understand, answer this question:

How many other teams with foreign managers who are waiting on foreign backroom staff have experienced the same delays as Swansea?

If Brexit was to blame, as claimed, then no team in the UK would have foreign players, coaches or managers? Right?

Brexit isn't to blame here -- it's an excuse. A simple and convenient scapegoat to something else.

I’m afraid that’s rubbish. Other teams with foreign managers and coaches are recruiting from much higher ranked leagues than the Portuguese second division.
We would have been able to recruit them before Brexit because of freedom of movement.
Without Brexit they would be here. Because of Brexit and rules put in place since they’re not.

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

I didn't swerve your question. It's called context. A counter to your argument. It's common knowledge afterall that foreign EU nationals could work in the UK freely -- that didn't need an answer, clearly.

You, however, HAVE swerved my question. Re-read it and respond. I'll wait.

Read up

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

I didn't swerve your question. It's called context. A counter to your argument. It's common knowledge afterall that foreign EU nationals could work in the UK freely -- that didn't need an answer, clearly.

You, however, HAVE swerved my question. Re-read it and respond. I'll wait.

And you didn't answer my question at all. You raised a different moot point.

 

[BendJack]

Brexit is to blame in that there would be no requirement for work permits for Portuguese staff without Brexit- there was freedom of movement.

Brexit is not to blame for ranking various world football leagues and choosing which ones are valid in providing work experience that counts towards automatic ability to work in this country.

Our issue is not that we’ve employed foreign coaches, it’s that the ones we are attempting to hire are from a league that is not recognised as being good enough.

But if we were in the EU it wouldn’t matter.

POLITICIANS are to blame here.

Brexit, as a concept it was promised as, should have delivered a LOT more. It should have been meaningful. I'm not debating the UK was screwed over.

What I AM stating is that 'BREXIT is being used as an excuse in this instance. Other teams have their staff in place work less problems.

If you look closer you'll likely find a lack of preparation on the club's part along with an incompetent, beurocratically incompetent Home Office & government.

For clarity, because I'm trying to work PLUS do this on my cellphone ATM (and all this won't be as clear as i'd like): What I AM against in this thread are people who choose to blame those who wanted Brexit. Self-righteousness is one of the worst human traits.

Instead of throwing blame at eachother and avoiding the real issues, you Brits should be working together to fight a government who has done everything possible to not deliver on what was promised. And no, the irony of having Trump as president isn't lost on me, either... But I'm talking about the UK, here!

 

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

POLITICIANS are to blame here.

Brexit, as a concept it was promised as, should have delivered a LOT more. It should have been meaningful. I'm not debating the UK was screwed over.

What I AM stating is that 'BREXIT is being used as an excuse in this instance. Other teams have their staff in place work less problems.

If you look closer you'll likely find a lack of preparation on the club's part along with an incompetent, beurocratically incompetent Home Office & government.

For clarity, because I'm trying to work PLUS do this on my cellphone ATM (and all this won't be as clear as i'd like): What I AM against in this thread are people who choose to blame those who wanted Brexit. Self-righteousness is one of the worst human traits.

Instead of throwing blame at eachother and avoiding the real issues, you Brits should be working together to fight a government who has done everything possible to not deliver on what was promised. And no, the irony of having Trump as president isn't lost on me, either... But I'm talking about the UK, here!

What made you think EU freedom of movement would continue unabated after Brexit then?

 

[Londonlisa2001]

POLITICIANS are to blame here.

Brexit, as a concept it was promised as, should have delivered a LOT more. It should have been meaningful. I'm not debating the UK was screwed over.

What I AM stating is that 'BREXIT is being used as an excuse in this instance. Other teams have their staff in place work less problems.

If you look closer you'll likely find a lack of preparation on the club's part along with an incompetent, beurocratically incompetent Home Office & government.

For clarity, because I'm trying to work PLUS do this on my cellphone ATM (and all this won't be as clear as i'd like): What I AM against in this thread are people who choose to blame those who wanted Brexit. Self-righteousness is one of the worst human traits.

Instead of throwing blame at eachother and avoiding the real issues, you Brits should be working together to fight a government who has done everything possible to not deliver on what was promised. And no, the irony of having Trump as president isn't lost on me, either... But I'm talking about the UK, here!

Brexit as ‘the concept it was promised as’ (sic) was not delivered because it was impossible.

It was a pack of lies sold to people who were desperate to improve their lives and out of that desperation listened to the wrong people.

It was obvious beforehand and is even more obvious now, which is why we will at some point go back in (whether they call it that or don’t).