What are we really expecting from Matos....

[Smurph]

Sorry Smurph and I say this as someone who has a massively boring degree in statistics that has made me a few quid but thankfully I’ve veered away from it.

If you make a big gamble, the outcome doesn’t mean that the initial gamble wasn’t a big gamble.

What if they appoint Monmouth, everyone would be like ‘wtf?!’, then his ‘shoot, you c*nts’ (excellent btw) tactic gets us promoted. Doesn’t mean that putting a JANET poster in charge was inspired.

I’m not saying that I’m loving what Matos has done so far, long may it continue.

Slight difference between appointing Monmouth and a man who has numerous coaching badges and has worked alongside one of the best managers of recent times at one of the biggest clubs in the world, I do get your point.

Every managerial appointment comes with an element of risk. I've already mentioned that my point is people need to hold their hands up and admit they might have got it wrong when criticizing a manger before he's even put his track suit on.

The likes of Lisa find it hard to admit they've made a mistake for some reason. This is me done on this topic

 

[J_B]

If you describe a managerial appointment as a risk (they all are) it doesn’t make it not a risk if it turns out to be successful. It was always a risk and always will be a risk. Ferguson was a risk, Wenger was a risk. Their success doesn’t alter the fact that their appointments had an element of risk.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Sorry Smurph and I say this as someone who has a massively boring degree in statistics that has made me a few quid but thankfully I’ve veered away from it.

If you make a big gamble, the outcome doesn’t mean that the initial gamble wasn’t a big gamble.

What if they appoint Monmouth, everyone would be like ‘wtf?!’, then his ‘shoot, you c*nts’ (excellent btw) tactic gets us promoted. Doesn’t mean that putting a JANET poster in charge was inspired.

I’m not saying that I’m loving what Matos has done so far, long may it continue.

I’d love to play against Smurph in the three door challenge…

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Slight difference between appointing Monmouth and a man who has numerous coaching badges and has worked alongside one of the best managers of recent times at one of the biggest clubs in the world, I do get your point.

Every managerial appointment comes with an element of risk. I've already mentioned that my point is people need to hold their hands up and admit they might have got it wrong when criticizing a manger before he's even put his track suit on.

The likes of Lisa find it hard to admit they've made a mistake for some reason. This is me done on this topic

Any number of people on this thread have told you why my point was right. You’ve agreed with all of them and yet continue to insist I’m wrong…

It’s genuinely funny.

 

[Nottinghillbilly]

Back on topic.....
(after the usual crass, petty derailment of an upbeat thread by Debbie Downer and her fellow grumpy ol' gits)

To the OP: Proper jacks are expecting our new Next Level ++ from Vitor:

- ongoing seismic change - playing style, attitude, team ethic, performance, hwyl
- getting the very best out of our massive latent talent (e.g. already going toe to toe, player for player with the league's runaway leaders)
- regain our Swansea Edge with proper control, command and direction from our pivotal core - slotting Ethan into DCM (our new next best Leon)
- integral to the ongoing excellent recruitment drive, unearthing yet more proper gems (as per Arteta, Emery etc)
- properly integral to the senior leadership team - delivering the shared vision, along with the proper football people now at our helm

A massive injection of positivity, intelligence, ebullience, alignment and drive - the perfect fit for our new owners and senior leadership team

Properly exciting times.....
#Next Level

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Slight difference between appointing Monmouth and a man who has numerous coaching badges and has worked alongside one of the best managers of recent times at one of the biggest clubs in the world, I do get your point.

Every managerial appointment comes with an element of risk. I've already mentioned that my point is people need to hold their hands up and admit they might have got it wrong when criticizing a manger before he's even put his track suit on.

The likes of Lisa find it hard to admit they've made a mistake for some reason. This is me done on this topic

She hasn't made a mistake.

She never once went after Matos personally.

She just said it was a massive gamble, which was not unfair, because he had no experience in this league and very little experience as a coach overall.

If she'd said "he looks a bit shit, looks like a Diet Klopp to me, and I hate his beard as well" then it'd be fair game. But she didn't.

 

[Jackareme]

I find the comparison with shovelling all your chips onto red and spinning the wheel as a comparison with appointing a new manager a little bit bizarre.
Even with a short track record - you can see the characteristics of a person, the philosophy of a person, their qualities as a leader, their tactical acumen and tactical philosophies. You can also get direct and relevant references from people who are respected for their football knowledge.
You can interview the candidate and test the depth of their qualities.
I am actually more perturbed by dinosaur managers who have decades of mediocrity walking into jobs because they have a long cv.
Red is red - there is no more information you can glean to inform your decision.
It seems to me that Worth (or someone else) has done a deep dive on the qualities presented by Matos - and has come to the conclusion that he is both a good fit and also a rising star.
If Steve Bruce or Phil Parkinson had shipped up here I would have been reaching for my service revolver and walking off into the woods.

 

[swansvalleyjack]

Leaving aside the views of us fans on Matos, BBC pundit Iwan Roberts has weighed in with his take - and believes that while it Swansea have won five of their last eight games under Matos, that it's still wise to reserve judgement on the Portuguese boss.

"I can see what Vitor Matos is trying to do but I think people are getting carried away with the results they have had," he added.

"If you look at the five wins, they have beaten Oxford twice, they have beaten Portsmouth at the Swansea.com Stadium and Portsmouth have the worst away record in the division.

"They beat Wrexham on probably the worst night they have had this season and West Brom could have got a point at Swansea on the back of eight consecutive away defeats."

Tbh, based on the various comments on this thread, I don't think any realistic Swansea fan is getting carried away.

Matos was a gamble, yes, like most managers, but as Smurph has pointed out, he is a man who has numerous coaching badges and has worked alongside one of the best managers of recent times at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Leave aside his short term period as a Manager in Portugal, the above credentials and more importantly what we have already witnessed with his charismatic character, is a good enough start for me, without getting carried away.

He is changing the culture within the squad & the style of football ( thank god). It's reasonable to hope for mid table now, compared to the real relegation threat under Sheehan.

Get Galbraith in his proper position with a new right back in place and at least one pacy winger who can score goals and deliver quality balls from out wide, then that's a small positive for this or next season.

I'm not sure of the cash outlay to be forthcoming from the owners, let's hope they help Vitor.

But so far so good from him is the overall verdict I think. Especially his passion and man management.

A breath of fresh air, that in itself gives me confidence in him, besides his other qualities.

 

[Smurph]

Back on topic.....
(after the usual crass, petty derailment of an upbeat thread by Debbie Downer and her fellow grumpy ol' gits)

To the OP: Proper jacks are expecting our new Next Level ++ from Vitor:

- ongoing seismic change - playing style, attitude, team ethic, performance, hwyl
- getting the very best out of our massive latent talent (e.g. already going toe to toe, player for player with the league's runaway leaders)
- regain our Swansea Edge with proper control, command and direction from our pivotal core - slotting Ethan into DCM (our new next best Leon)
- integral to the ongoing excellent recruitment drive, unearthing yet more proper gems (as per Arteta, Emery etc)
- properly integral to the senior leadership team - delivering the shared vision, along with the proper football people now at our helm

A massive injection of positivity, intelligence, ebullience, alignment and drive - the perfect fit for our new owners and senior leadership team

Properly exciting times.....
#Next Level

Proper breath of fresh air and starting to look like shrewd appointment.

 

[Smurph]

Leaving aside the views of us fans on Matos, BBC pundit Iwan Roberts has weighed in with his take - and believes that while it Swansea have won five of their last eight games under Matos, that it's still wise to reserve judgement on the Portuguese boss.

"I can see what Vitor Matos is trying to do but I think people are getting carried away with the results they have had," he added.

"If you look at the five wins, they have beaten Oxford twice, they have beaten Portsmouth at the Swansea.com Stadium and Portsmouth have the worst away record in the division.

"They beat Wrexham on probably the worst night they have had this season and West Brom could have got a point at Swansea on the back of eight consecutive away defeats."

Tbh, based on the various comments on this thread, I don't think any realistic Swansea fan is getting carried away.

Matos was a gamble, yes, like most managers, but as Smurf has pointed out, he is a man who has numerous coaching badges and has worked alongside one of the best managers of recent times at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Leave aside his short term period as a Manager in Portugal, the above credentials and more importantly what we have already witnessed with his charismatic character, is a good enough start for me, without getting carried away.

He is changing the culture within the squad & the style of football ( thank god). It's reasonable to hope for mid table now, compared to the real relegation threat under Sheehan.

Get Galbraith in his proper position with a new right back in place and at least one pacy winger who can score goals and deliver quality balls from out wide, then that's a small positive for this or next season.

I'm not sure of the cash outlay to be forthcoming from the owners, let's hope they help Vitor.

But so far so good from him is the overall verdict I think. Especially his passion and man management.

A breath of fresh air, that in itself gives me confidence in him, besides his other qualities.

Excellent post

 

[exiledclaseboy]

It’s a weird old thread this. Leaving aside the pointless if vaguely entertaining debate about the definition of the word “gamble” and whether a gamble remains a gamble even if it ends up being successful (it does. Obviously), we’re all more or less violently agreeing.

We’ve had a decent to good start under Matos.
We’ve had some good results and a couple of indifferent ones.
To me at least we seem to have more purpose, belief and fight on the pitch.
The early signs are quite positive.
It’s best not to get carried away.
We all hope Matos will be a success because he’s the manager of the club we all support.
None of us knows at this point whether Matos will end up being a good appointment, a bad appointment or somewhere in between.

There. Tidy.

 

[Nottinghillbilly]

Of course you can.

The only argument is with extrapolating it for a full season where we play everyone twice.

I thought it was a ridiculously risky appointment. I still do.

If we get promoted with him it won’t change that. It’s like someone gambling everything on red. It’s stupid whether red comes up or not.

I like him so far though. That’s not the same thing.

This has to be the very Twpest of twp posts ever, even by your clueless, disconnected bitter ‘n twisted standards.

‘…like someone gambling everything on red…’

Crazy as fack, in so many ways.

Back in yer Tier 2 box…..

 

[Vetchonian]

Leaving aside the views of us fans on Matos, BBC pundit Iwan Roberts has weighed in with his take - and believes that while it Swansea have won five of their last eight games under Matos, that it's still wise to reserve judgement on the Portuguese boss.

"I can see what Vitor Matos is trying to do but I think people are getting carried away with the results they have had," he added.

"If you look at the five wins, they have beaten Oxford twice, they have beaten Portsmouth at the Swansea.com Stadium and Portsmouth have the worst away record in the division.

"They beat Wrexham on probably the worst night they have had this season and West Brom could have got a point at Swansea on the back of eight consecutive away defeats."

Tbh, based on the various comments on this thread, I don't think any realistic Swansea fan is getting carried away.

Matos was a gamble, yes, like most managers, but as Smurf has pointed out, he is a man who has numerous coaching badges and has worked alongside one of the best managers of recent times at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Leave aside his short term period as a Manager in Portugal, the above credentials and more importantly what we have already witnessed with his charismatic character, is a good enough start for me, without getting carried away.

He is changing the culture within the squad & the style of football ( thank god). It's reasonable to hope for mid table now, compared to the real relegation threat under Sheehan.

Get Galbraith in his proper position with a new right back in place and at least one pacy winger who can score goals and deliver quality balls from out wide, then that's a small positive for this or next season.

I'm not sure of the cash outlay to be forthcoming from the owners, let's hope they help Vitor.

But so far so good from him is the overall verdict I think. Especially his passion and man management.

A breath of fresh air, that in itself gives me confidence in him, besides his other qualities.

Amazing we only beat Wrexham as they had an off night....maybe that was because we outplayed them stopped them playing.
Cabango had Moore in his pocket.....all they tried was hoofing the ball upfield and fouling our players Moore swinging his arm into Fultons face.
The love in with Wrexham is excruiating. Yes we have played some "struggling" teams but Iwan should look beyond the results and see how our perfirmances ,play and tactics have changed.
Its still early days but Matos has had to hit the ground running...and without his own staff but has made an impact during a chaotic schedule.
Time will tell if the gamble paid off but in the here and now the signs are encouraging..

 

[swansvalleyjack]

It’s a weird old thread this. Leaving aside the pointless if vaguely entertaining debate about the definition of the word “gamble” and whether a gamble remains a gamble even if it ends up being successful (it does. Obviously), we’re all more or less violently agreeing.

We’ve had a decent to good start under Matos.
We’ve had some good results and a couple of indifferent ones.
To me at least we seem to have more purpose, belief and fight on the pitch.
The early signs are quite positive.
It’s best not to get carried away.
We all hope Matos will be a success because he’s the manager of the club we all support.
None of us knows at this point whether Matos will end up being a good appointment, a bad appointment or somewhere in between.

There. Tidy.

Nice summary, and that of Vetchonian.

I also like the " we're all more or less violently agreeing"

As the OP it's been a good debate this one.

Though I think we can leave it for now. Next Matos review I reckon, once we've hopefully achieved guaranteed safety

 

[Swans Jack]

My final say... I'll be honest. I just want championship survival. I don't care if its top teams or bottom or how we do it. Once we get that I'll start to look at where we are at and what impact Matos has had. We are never going to win every game and he has even admitted we will have our ups and downs as we change things. This thread is like we are all trying to work out if a divorce is on the books for a newley weds. Will it survive or not? At this point I don't care. I'll do a season review on Matos once we have gotten on the plane and landed for the honeymoon.