Williams out

[magicdaps10]

Most took an instant dislike to him because he was abrupt and didn't talk bullshit, that's a fact. After that he was never given a chance. Williams couldn't manage to pull down his trouser zip.

We were so disjointed under him and there was no clear game plan with Duffs time here.
Not scoring goals is the main issue here and it's not been helped by a disastrous summer window with attacking players.

The football is not awful, we seem to have a decent shape on us until we hit the creative third.

We are desperately missing some pace out wide, a creative 10 who can chip in with goals and a striker. We knew we needed 2 weeks before the window closed.

The ones who are targeting the manager are taking the eyes away to where they should be firmly fixed.....on our inept owners who really now need to just F off.

 

[Skippyjack]

We were so disjointed under him and there was no clear game plan with Duffs time here.
Not scoring goals is the main issue here and it's not been helped by a disastrous summer window with attacking players.

The football is not awful, we seem to have a decent shape on us until we hit the creative third.

We are desperately missing some pace out wide, a creative 10 who can chip in with goals and a striker. We knew we needed 2 weeks before the window closed.

The ones who are targeting the manager are taking the eyes away to where they should be firmly fixed.....on our inept owners who really now need to just F off.

So Williams has a game plan, shame he can't win 4 on the bounce like that Duff tenure, Duff clearly didn't have a plan like Williams who struggles to win games with a superior plan apparently

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

He's actually doing worse than Duff, but separating fact and fiction amongst the idiots on here is beyond understanding, but just being a bit thick and blind does that to the average pleb fan we have, which you're in

Duff was +2 GD better off with an otherwise identical W-D-L record after the same number of league matches last season.

So clearly you're right, we threw away the greatest manager in our history, clearly Williams is way off him, he's far far worse than the Duffster, what a comedown it's been.

 

[Skippyjack]

Duff was +2 GD better off with an otherwise identical W-D-L record after the same number of league matches last season.

So clearly you're right, we threw away the greatest manager in our history, clearly Williams is way off him, he's far far worse than the Duffster, what a comedown it's been.

He's actually got a worse win % total, but I'm not surprised with the reply, how old are you 12?

 

[magicdaps10]

So Williams has a game plan, shame he can't win 4 on the bounce like that Duff tenure, Duff clearly didn't have a plan like Williams who struggles to win games with a superior plan apparently

We could go back and forth but Duff had a better squad to pick from.

It's hard reading people going on as if it can just be changed by not playing one player who isn't a winger on the wing and to make better subs! That isn't going to make things change given what we have had hand.

We are in the cack because the club has been run poorly by our owners and cemented more with the sporting director they appointed......one who has wasted millions in 3 transfer Windows.
Imagine where we would be if we had atleast a competent sporting director.

Clubs a joke and some are blaming the wrong people........and you could even put Duff in that same category as taking the brunt if the owners incompetent approach.

Luckily the numbers who have defended the owners, even those who have said look how much they have spent despite their ignorance of not understanding it was wasted by people they hired, those numbers have dwindled.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

He's actually got a worse win % total, but I'm not surprised with the reply, how old are you 12?

Look, we all know the truth with you and the Duff revisionists.

What you wanted was a coach who would prove that Martin was the problem and fucked us up. You bigged him up. He was the "sergeant major" we needed, the no nonsense anti-bullshit monger.

What actually happened was he made things worse, despite the biggest splurge since relegation.

When he was sacked and we replaced him with someone vaguely connected to Martin, your world caved in. Because you had egg on your face and it was salt in your wound.

Don't worry, I've got your measure, it's ok.

 

[T8AD365]

Duff was +2 GD better off with an otherwise identical W-D-L record after the same number of league matches last season.

So clearly you're right, we threw away the greatest manager in our history, clearly Williams is way off him, he's far far worse than the Duffster, what a comedown it's been.

Nope, Duff was W4 D3 L5, Williams is W3 D4 L5.

Nobody's saying Duff was better than Williams, just that Williams is being excused of any blame whereas Duff was solely responsible for the poor start to last season.

Now, apparently, we should just accept that we're going to be in a relegation scrap. Forget that the players look like strangers out there who have no idea what they're doing or what they're expected to do, if there's no way Williams can do better then he'll be taking us down without a whimper.

Look at his interview after the game, he said he doesn't know what else they can do. Maybe work on finishing and patterns of play in training?

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Nope, Duff was W4 D3 L5, Williams is W3 D4 L5.

Nobody's saying Duff was better than Williams, just that Williams is being excused of any blame whereas Duff was solely responsible for the poor start to last season.

Now, apparently, we should just accept that we're going to be in a relegation scrap. Forget that the players look like strangers out there who have no idea what they're doing or what they're expected to do, if there's no way Williams can do better then he'll be taking us down without a whimper.

Look at his interview after the game, he said he doesn't know what else they can do. Maybe work on finishing and patterns of play in training?

Ok so I was slightly out. Still doesn't mean Duff did a better job by time he was sacked though.

Re working on patterns of play in training, how does that solve the fundamental problem that the players as individuals aren't good enough?

How many managers have we got to rattle through before we accept that the players in the squad are uncoachable, because they're shite?

 

[monmouth]

Duff was shite, Williams is measurably worse so far.

 

[A4Jack]

We were so disjointed under him and there was no clear game plan with Duffs time here.
Not scoring goals is the main issue here and it's not been helped by a disastrous summer window with attacking players.

The football is not awful, we seem to have a decent shape on us until we hit the creative third.

We are desperately missing some pace out wide, a creative 10 who can chip in with goals and a striker. We knew we needed 2 weeks before the window closed.

The ones who are targeting the manager are taking the eyes away to where they should be firmly fixed.....on our inept owners who really now need to just F off.

On Duff then, if he'd have had more time surely he'd have had a better outcome than we are currently achieving?

If only he'd had more time to gel his squad and build cohesion. If we have a game plan now and are very "jointed" then where do we go when we are shit?

 

[Skippyjack]

Look, we all know the truth with you and the Duff revisionists.

What you wanted was a coach who would prove that Martin was the problem and fucked us up. You bigged him up. He was the "sergeant major" we needed, the no nonsense anti-bullshit monger.

What actually happened was he made things worse, despite the biggest splurge since relegation.

When he was sacked and we replaced him with someone vaguely connected to Martin, your world caved in. Because you had egg on your face and it was salt in your wound.

Don't worry, I've got your measure, it's ok.

You've got a narrative in your own head now that I'm somehow a Martin hater.. Duff made things worse.. but you keep banging on about the owners not showing ambition.. now you're saying they're splurging and it's Duffs fault.. just admit you're all hypocrites and don't know what you're arguing about..

It's Duffs fault
It's the owners
It's the recruitment team
It's our squad depth
It's everything except Luke Williams playing a fullback in midfield, a striker as a 10, a midfielder up front and a midfielder on the wing.. but our defence is fantastic, except the goalkeeper being MOTM most games and our player of the season.. but we've got a good shape apparently, data, hard yards and work or something he'll come out with

Get the bus driver gone

 

[T8AD365]

Ok so I was slightly out. Still doesn't mean Duff did a better job by time he was sacked though.

Re working on patterns of play in training, how does that solve the fundamental problem that the players as individuals aren't good enough?

How many managers have we got to rattle through before we accept that the players in the squad are uncoachable, because they're shite?

Just me being pedantic, sorry lol.

When we first got promoted to the Premier League, did we have the 11th best squad in the country on paper? Or did we have a manager who was able to coach the players so the team was better than the sum of its parts?

There's been plenty of examples of this happening, clubs like Brighton and Brentford getting promoted and establishing themselves in the Premier League because they have coaches who can improve the players and get them to perform together as a team.

Your last paragraph is the main reason I'm arguing so hard on this point. You and many others were more than happy to get rid of Duff but now, just 12 months later, the players in the squad are apparently uncoachable? Were they not uncoachable 12 months ago then?

The extra attacking options we had then were the much derided Yates and Kukharevych and Paterson, who everyone says only played well a few times a season. Only Lowe was decent last season so it's slightly disingenuous to say we had a much stronger attack than we do now

 

[Darran]

Just me being pedantic, sorry lol.

When we first got promoted to the Premier League, did we have the 11th best squad in the country on paper? Or did we have a manager who was able to coach the players so the team was better than the sum of its parts?

There's been plenty of examples of this happening, clubs like Brighton and Brentford getting promoted and establishing themselves in the Premier League because they have coaches who can improve the players and get them to perform together as a team.

Your last paragraph is the main reason I'm arguing so hard on this point. You and many others were more than happy to get rid of Duff but now, just 12 months later, the players in the squad are apparently uncoachable? Were they not uncoachable 12 months ago then?

The extra attacking options we had then were the much derided Yates and Kukharevych and Paterson, who everyone says only played well a few times a season. Only Lowe was decent last season so it's slightly disingenuous to say we had a much stronger attack than we do now

Great post.

 

[Andrew - North Hill]

Just me being pedantic, sorry lol.

When we first got promoted to the Premier League, did we have the 11th best squad in the country on paper? Or did we have a manager who was able to coach the players so the team was better than the sum of its parts?

There's been plenty of examples of this happening, clubs like Brighton and Brentford getting promoted and establishing themselves in the Premier League because they have coaches who can improve the players and get them to perform together as a team.

Your last paragraph is the main reason I'm arguing so hard on this point. You and many others were more than happy to get rid of Duff but now, just 12 months later, the players in the squad are apparently uncoachable? Were they not uncoachable 12 months ago then?

The extra attacking options we had then were the much derided Yates and Kukharevych and Paterson, who everyone says only played well a few times a season. Only Lowe was decent last season so it's slightly disingenuous to say we had a much stronger attack than we do now

No need to apologise, facts is facts.

I don't think it's disingenuous at all to say that attack was stronger than this one. I was no fan of Lowe and Paterson, but they were at least Championship level, if very inconsistent. Yates was rubbish for us, but had come off the back of a good season for Blackpool. You could just about locate a pulse amongst those options. This lot are a notable step down. None of them have any pedigree at this level. And it shows.

 

[A4Jack]

No need to apologise, facts is facts.

I don't think it's disingenuous at all to say that attack was stronger than this one. I was no fan of Lowe and Paterson, but they were at least Championship level, if very inconsistent. Yates was rubbish for us, but had come off the back of a good season for Blackpool. You could just about locate a pulse amongst those options. This lot are a notable step down. None of them have any pedigree at this level. And it shows.

But Cullen scored as many goals or near enough as Yates last season?

And in that squad we didn't have a winger by name. Now we have three albeit one is injured.

The options were no better or worse, just different. You cannot say categorically that Vipotnik wouldn't deliver a similar or better goal return than Yates or that Eom or Ronald under a different manager couldn't manage eight or more.

It's all it's, but's and maybes.