The ❌Kim Hellberg❌ Non-Managerial Thread

[Smurph]

He doesn’t have perceived inexperience. He has actual inexperience.

People seem to be talking about him as though he was Klopp’s right hand man.

He was a development coach at Liverpool. He’s worked almost exclusively with age group football until very recently.

If they appoint him I’m sure we will hope for the best and be fully supportive but to say it’s a gamble is a massive understatement. It’s verging on the club buying a raffle ticket. Could win but far more likely to be a waste of money.

That's your perception so yes it is a perceived lack of inexperience.

Managers need to be given an opportunity at some point. If we do appoint him, I won't be writing him off before one of his teams has kicked a ball.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

I don’t think fans know as much as they think they do to be honest. That’s not to say they know nothing but due diligence has clearly been done on Matos.

That is definitely the case.

But I guarantee most know more about championship football than the vast, vast majority of Americans. Largely because we’ve actually watched it. Until a couple of seasons ago it wasn’t even available to watch in the US outside the odd game.

 

[Blackpooljack]

I did post his " this season " stats on here yesterday and as far as goal scoring they were very underwhelming.

 

[Smurph]

I don’t think fans know as much as they think they do to be honest. That’s not to say they know nothing but due diligence has clearly been done on Matos.

We wouldn't be posting on football forums if we did

 

[Smurph]

That is definitely the case.

But I guarantee most know more about championship football than the vast, vast majority of Americans. Largely because we’ve actually watched it. Until a couple of seasons ago it wasn’t even available to watch in the US outside the odd game.

FSG have done ok with Liverpool

 

[Londonlisa2001]

In fairness, Steve Cooper had only ever worked in age group football too and not even at club level.

I hated Cooperball but he was successful and knew what he was doing

Funnily enough, whereas club football tends to be of a far higher standard than international football, the one area where international football probably gives a massive advantage is at age group level.

Anyway, it is what it is. We’ll all hope for the best.

 

[JackSomething]

He doesn’t have perceived inexperience. He has actual inexperience.

People seem to be talking about him as though he was Klopp’s right hand man.

He was a development coach at Liverpool. He’s worked almost exclusively with age group football until very recently.

If they appoint him I’m sure we will hope for the best and be fully supportive but to say it’s a gamble is a massive understatement. It’s verging on the club buying a raffle ticket. Could win but far more likely to be a waste of money.

Even if he had been Klopp's right-hand man, it wouldn't be any indication of whether he'd succeed or not. Pep Lijnders really was in that role and he lasted 29 games at Red Bull Salzburg before being sacked (Matos was his assistant at RBS and was sacked along with Lijnders).

Any appointment is a gamble, but we could be going from one inexperienced manager to someone with 11 games of managerial experience in the Portuguese second tier. It's a bold move to say the least.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

FSG have done ok with Liverpool

Didn’t realise Liverpool were a championship club to be honest… When are we playing them?

 

[Londonlisa2001]

We wouldn't be posting on football forums if we did

Did that apply to our current head of global recruitment then?

 

[Smurph]

Didn’t realise Liverpool were a championship club to be honest… When are we playing them?

They have Americans owners who at the time had little knowledge of the league they were in.

If you want to keep patronising I'm happy to play along.

 

[Smurph]

Did that apply to our current head of global recruitment then?

Who knows, you'll have to ask him.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

That's your perception so yes it is a perceived lack of inexperience.

Managers need to be given an opportunity at some point. If we do appoint him, I won't be writing him off before one of his teams has kicked a ball.

None of us will be.

But don’t pretend he is anything other than a ‘oh shit, our target has turned us down’ appointment.

It’s an enormous gamble and one that clearly is inconsistent with off field aspirations.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

They have Americans owners who at the time had little knowledge of the league they were in.

If you want to keep patronising I'm happy to play along.

Yeah because the premier league and champions league definitely has the same level of exposure as the championship globally.

 

[JackSomething]

That's your perception so yes it is a perceived lack of inexperience.

Managers need to be given an opportunity at some point. If we do appoint him, I won't be writing him off before one of his teams has kicked a ball.

Smurph, if someone has managed 11 games of football, they are by definition an inexperienced manager. It doesn't really come down to perception.

I think we can all agree Sheehan was considered an inexperienced manager when we made him permanent in the summer and he'd managed almost double the amount of games Matos had over his two caretaker spells (20).

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Who knows, you'll have to ask him.

I will do next time he posts on here.