New Manager

[Cinio Dydd Sul]

It won't be Colemans call ultimately.

Is he moving aside?

 

[Dr. Winston]

Who's call will it be then?

It's highly unlikely that Coleman will be able to make a decision of this magnitude unilaterally.

 

[Swansea93]

Is he moving aside?

There was some rumours kicking about non manager related, don’t know if it’s to do with Coleman but might explain the fans forum and his silence lately.

 

[magicdaps10]

Not heard the rumour so unable to comment on it.

Coleman doesn't make the call but ultimately who makes it......I don't know that either

 

[crazedbison]

No, I don’t believe it is.

This is a long term decision for our future and it shouldn’t be based on short term factors.

If Sheehan was the right long term person for the job, he’d have been appointed as the manager. He wasn’t. Nor was he last time. So the club don’t believe him to be the right long term solution and fans getting ahead of themselves on the basis of a few matches should play no part in the decision. It’s giving Coleman a cheap opt out.

Whether the club is able to appoint the right long term solution is a completely different question.

Sheehan has done an excellent job at getting us safe which is what he was tasked to do.

Nothing I’ve said detracts from that.

Added: I meant to point out that the last time we made a decision like this we appointed Monk as manager. And that was the decision that ultimately led to our subsequent collapse irrespective of our results in that first season. That’s the difference between short term and long term decisions being good ones.

The club’s last three appointments have been RM, MD, and LW. I’d argue all three were failures. Quite frankly, I don’t really care who the club believes is the “right long term solution.”

For me, it comes down to finding someone that can do three things.

1. Make the most of the players we’ve got at our disposal. Essentially, be successful.
2. Command the changing room. We need someone the players respect.
3. Actually, legitimately want the job and to live in the area.

Sheehan wouldn’t be my top choice (that’s Uwe Rosler) but, despite not knowing where he lives, I can argue that he’d provide those three things.

At the end of the day we have to be realistic. We are now known as a cluster-f club that’s far from anywhere else. Maybe you’d prefer to roll the dice with whoever Coleman appoints, but between that and Sheehan I’d take Sheehan.

What do they say about the devil you know and all that?

 

[Neath_Jack]

The club’s last three appointments have been RM, MD, and LW. I’d argue all three were failures. Quite frankly, I don’t really care who the club believes is the “right long term solution.”

For me, it comes down to finding someone that can do three things.

1. Make the most of the players we’ve got at our disposal. Essentially, be successful.
2. Command the changing room. We need someone the players respect.
3. Actually, legitimately want the job and to live in the area.

Sheehan wouldn’t be my top choice (that’s Uwe Rosler) but, despite not knowing where he lives, I can argue that he’d provide those three things.

At the end of the day we have to be realistic. We are now known as a cluster-f club that’s far from anywhere else. Maybe you’d prefer to roll the dice with whoever Coleman appoints, but between that and Sheehan I’d take Sheehan.

What do they say about the devil you know and all that?

Great post that

 

[Dr. Winston]

Sheehan has increased the performance levels of the same squad that Williams shit the bed with in 2025 by several orders of magnitude. Of the three games he's managed, one was a hard fought draw against a team unbeaten at home since November, and the others were comfortable home wins against two teams with reasonable playoff aspirations, when our own home form has been shambolic all season.

I would suggest that he's doing rather more than "what he was brought in to do".

Maybe this is what we need in the long term rather than appointing yet another cookie cutter "process" bullshit artist that will get the purists salivating but ultimately fail miserably.

 

[ThurrockJack]

If he keeps these sorts of results up to the end of the season then the job is probably his. I wouldn't be making any decisions before then though. As well as he has done, he needs to prove consistency. I do find it odd that people want to give him the job after a few games. We need to get away from the sort of thinking that we'll win the league after a few results or get relegated after a few losses. It is overdramatic and makes our fanbase look embarrassing tbh.

 

[monmouth]

Sheehan has increased the performance levels of the same squad that Williams shit the bed with by several orders of magnitude. Of the three games he's managed, one was a hard fought draw against a team unbeaten at home since November, and the others were comfortable home wins against two teams with reasonable playoff aspirations, when our own home form has been shambolic all season.

I would suggest that he's doing rather more than "what he was brought in to do".

Maybe this is what we need in the long term rather than appointing yet another cookie cutter "process" bullshit artist that will get the purists salivating but ultimately fail miserably.

We could even be "innovative" and give him a 6 month (or year) rolling from June (a decision before then would be nuts) so risk is maximum 6 months and some compensation built in. If he's a success great, but use the time to keep looking for whatever it is they think we are looking for and if he becomes available...pounce. Obviously don't sell it to "Sheezy" quite like that.

As you say, I do dread another process trendy mini Pep bullshit merchant though. They love a bit of theoretical stattycock and hype.,,the cult of the manager. Way overblown. Take the best players away from Peppa and he suddenly looks very ordinary. 'Philosophy' Uber Alles is a load of old crap. Get good players and let them express themselves. Under snake oil cretins like Martin and Willy, SS 11 would never have been 'allowed' to score that goal against Forest; where he beat half their team; ditto Dobster in the play off semi. They'd have been passing back to half way to Monk to 'create'.

 

[Neath_Jack]

If he keeps these sorts of results up to the end of the season then the job is probably his. I wouldn't be making any decisions before then though. As well as he has done, he needs to prove consistency. I do find it odd that people want to give him the job after a few games. We need to get away from the sort of thinking that we'll win the league after a few results or get relegated after a few losses. It is overdramatic and makes our fanbase look embarrassing tbh.

I don’t think anyone is saying to give him the job based on his results so far. What most reasonable people are saying is that if these results continue then he should definitely be considered for it.

 

[AusinIsOurHero]

Foreign manager rumoured to be on the horizon as per Alan Nixon.

This is the gamble isn't it?
Our last few manages have had zero Championship experience and it showed.
Another untested manager at this level will probably end up the same way.

 

[magicdaps10]

This is the gamble isn't it?
Our last few manages have had zero Championship experience and it showed.
Another untested manager at this level will probably end up the same way.

I think any angle is a gamble.
Getting an experienced guy in isn't a given just as much as a young guy coming in is destined to fail.

The process needs to be thorough and that's why I'm happy now with Sheehan until the end of the season, fact that he has done well certainly helps and if he carries it on then he puts his case over stronger.

A foreign manager will help in the transfer market with knowledge of players in leagues that they have managed but an appointment can't be based on that alone, I'm sure it won't be either.

 

[AusinIsOurHero]

I think any angle is a gamble.
Getting an experienced guy in isn't a given just as much as a young guy coming in is destined to fail.

The process needs to be thorough and that's why I'm happy now with Sheehan until the end of the season, fact that he has done well certainly helps and if he carries it on then he puts his case over stronger.

A foreign manager will help in the transfer market with knowledge of players in leagues that they have managed but an appointment can't be based on that alone, I'm sure it won't be either.

If we are looking abroad, then I at least hope it will be someone with some top flight experience in their respective leagues, and not someone who's had 2 years in the Belgian 2nd division who plays 'possession' football

 

[JackSomething]

I don’t think anyone is saying to give him the job based on his results so far. What most reasonable people are saying is that if these results continue then he should definitely be considered for it.

I don't think anyone can argue with your second sentence there.

What I don't want to happen is what happened with Monk. Jenkins said they hadn't made a decision before the end of the season and conducted a full search before appointing him, which was clearly bollocks.

Also, I haven't gone back through the thread, but I'm fairly sure there are at least a few posters advocating 'give it to Sheezy' already.

 

[Nocountryforoldjack]

Best man for the job, simple as that