Stop the boats

[exiledclaseboy]

This thread nicely illustrates my original point.

 

[Pacemaker]

I was born and brought up in the Rhondda, in 1840 there were less than 800 people in the entire valley with it being primarily a rural agricultural area with little industry.

Merthyr was already booming with the Ironmasters the Crawshays making millions off the back of the working classes.

By 1910 there were over 120,000 people resident in the Rhondda, almost all of those who had come to the area were single men, many were from rural eras of Wales but most were from around the UK, Europe and the rest of the world. The expansion of the port of Cardiff meant that men came from all over the Empire.

There was a gold rush for S Wales , the coal, iron, steel and copper built the cities and the fortunes of those in power, the damage to the environment and the workers were of no interest to those in power.

There was the odd race riot but that usually involved white Irish labourers rather than people from the far flung reaches of the Empire.

When it suited the rich and the landed gentry it didn't matter where the workers were coming from the Bute, Stuarts or Crawshay families became multi millionaires and were just as happy to abandon the Valleys once coal became either not as profitable or the workers organised and fought for their rights causing their profits to fall.

All those single men eventually settled down, became part of a family and continued to add value to this country, the ongoing campaign by certain parties and their media barons haven’t changed they were the same press barons and politicians who refused access to refugees from Europe in the 1930’s and which we later held our heads in shame at the lack of humanity shown to others.

Maybe showing a bit of empathy for others is not fashionable anymore but there is only one area of politics which has constantly held these views about “foreigners” and that is the fascists.

Both the Daily Mail and Telegraph have always held these views and i find it incredible that the ordinary working class today read these rags and believe everything written within them.

 

[JustJack]

Only if you consider a one per cent increase offsets a 42% decrease.

So no.

Thats not how maths and percentages works though, is it? A 10% decrease overall would not be pushed around the press/socials by Labour supporters

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Thats not how maths and percentages works though, is it? A 10% decrease overall would not be pushed around the press/socials by Labour supporters

I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. Let’s flip it. A 42% decrease has happened in the first four months of this year. This has been nowhere in the press hardly. You can bet your old boots that the one per cent increase you’ve mentioned, should it occur, would be front end centre over all the press. Even though that would still represent a significant drop in small boat arrivals.

 

[jack_lord]

I was born and brought up in the Rhondda, in 1840 there were less than 800 people in the entire valley with it being primarily a rural agricultural area with little industry.

Merthyr was already booming with the Ironmasters the Crawshays making millions off the back of the working classes.

By 1910 there were over 120,000 people resident in the Rhondda, almost all of those who had come to the area were single men, many were from rural eras of Wales but most were from around the UK, Europe and the rest of the world. The expansion of the port of Cardiff meant that men came from all over the Empire.

There was a gold rush for S Wales , the coal, iron, steel and copper built the cities and the fortunes of those in power, the damage to the environment and the workers were of no interest to those in power.

There was the odd race riot but that usually involved white Irish labourers rather than people from the far flung reaches of the Empire.

When it suited the rich and the landed gentry it didn't matter where the workers were coming from the Bute, Stuarts or Crawshay families became multi millionaires and were just as happy to abandon the Valleys once coal became either not as profitable or the workers organised and fought for their rights causing their profits to fall.

All those single men eventually settled down, became part of a family and continued to add value to this country, the ongoing campaign by certain parties and their media barons haven’t changed they were the same press barons and politicians who refused access to refugees from Europe in the 1930’s and which we later held our heads in shame at the lack of humanity shown to others.

Maybe showing a bit of empathy for others is not fashionable anymore but there is only one area of politics which has constantly held these views about “foreigners” and that is the fascists.

Both the Daily Mail and Telegraph have always held these views and i find it incredible that the ordinary working class today read these rags and believe everything written within them.

I enjoyed that.
Reform are the new Tories and are mugging off the new generation of the above using the same media the wealthy have always used to "influence".

 

[rockinj]

Let’s see how widely these figures get reported eh.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2050885178948493551

Newspaper headlines: 'Rivals circle Starmer' and bid to reopen Hormuz pushes region 'to the brink'

Several of the papers focus on Sir Keir Starmer's leadership of the Labour party.

www.bbc.co.uk

The Sun front page…

Sums it up

 

[Smurph]

Daughter used Uber to get home from Tunes in the Sands on Friday evening. The driver arrived in the country two days prior from Iran.

Slightly concerns me that someone can drive a taxi after two days and that is regardless of nationality. I thought people needed to clear security checks before being employed in to these type of jobs.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Daughter used Uber to get home from Tunes in the Sands on Friday evening. The driver arrived in the country two days prior from Iran.

Slightly concerns me that someone can drive a taxi after two days and that is regardless of nationality. I thought people needed to clear security checks before being employed in to these type of jobs.

I’m sure that’s what he told your daughter but I very much doubt it’s actually true that someone can come here from Iran (or anywhere else) and get the relevant licences, tests etc to be driving a taxi within two days.

 

[RoyalCountyJack]

Uber lost its licence to operate in London a few years back because of drivers using fake IDs etc

Pretty sure they are back in business now but have probably tightened their processes.

 

[Smurph]

I’m sure that’s what he told your daughter but I very much doubt it’s actually true that someone can come here from Iran (or anywhere else) and get the relevant licences, tests etc to be driving a taxi within two days.

Well I did think the same.

He was pretty insistent on only being in the country for two days and she has no reason to lie about it

 

[Smurph]

Uber lost its licence to operate in London a few years back because of drivers using fake IDs etc

Pretty sure they are back in business now but have probably tightened their processes.

I'm not sure on how tight it is.

Probably as tight as Deliveroo and Jusy Eat

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Well I did think the same.

He was pretty insistent on only being in the country for two days and she has no reason to lie about it

Not suggesting for a minute he didn’t say it to her but it doesn’t ring true.

 

[J_B]

Could he get insurance to cover carrying passengers for profit that quickly?

 

[Smurph]

Could he get insurance to cover carrying passengers for profit that quickly?

Could be driving under somebody else's name.

 

[Pacemaker]

Newspaper headlines: 'Rivals circle Starmer' and bid to reopen Hormuz pushes region 'to the brink'

Several of the papers focus on Sir Keir Starmer's leadership of the Labour party.

www.bbc.co.uk

The Sun front page…

Sums it up

The Sun highlights 200,000 in 8 years in a country of almost 70 million, 0.29% is potentially entering the country illegally. Doesnt sound quite so dramatic as the big red headline does it?