By-election results

[Neath_Jack]

Yea ok mate., happy for you to swallow that bullshyt

I'm absolutely with you as well. I don't buy the policy bollocks, he was sacked for defying the red Tory when he rocked up at the picket line. The party of the working man my arse.

 

[Swanjaxs]

I do believe in collective responsibility. Obviously the Labour party has to be seen as fit to govern but also is has to be aware of its roots.

Absolutely, collective responsibility should be the starting point, unfortunately, imho, Keir Starmer isn't fit to lead the Labour Party...

 

[rockinj]

I thought about the results for a short while and considered that it may be a good thing if there was a choice of a more right wing version of the Liberals and a Labour party as the two party option. There is something in there that most folk could actually sit with.

Absolutely a Liberal party that aligned quite similar to the Lib Dems on economics and democratic reform etc but together with that was not pinko. Therefore scrap the woolly liberal nonsense eg she/they/it nonsense for instance and they’re onto a winner

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Absolutely a Liberal party that aligned quite similar to the Lib Dems on economics and democratic reform etc but together with that was not pinko. Therefore scrap the woolly liberal nonsense eg she/they/it nonsense for instance and they’re onto a winner

A liberal party without the liberalism. Well we have a Tory party without conservatism, a Labour Party with socialism so it could work I suppose. We live in odd times.

 

[rockinj]

A liberal party without the liberalism. Well we have a Tory party without conservatism, a Labour Party with socialism so it could work I suppose. We live in odd times.

You’re deliberately missing the point. I’m talking about the excesses of it.

You can still be socially liberal eg gay rights and not take it to the extremes.

Also true liberalism would advocate plurality and freedom of the individual.

 

[rockinj]

On immigration you can be pro FOM and advocate safe routes for refugees but deportation of criminals and economic migrants is still fundamentally liberal and advocating a pragmatic approach.

 

[K23]

I really think it will be out of the frying pan into the fire, with this current labour lot.

I would like to hear a factual explanation for that view, if you have one. I don't think there has ever been a government as bad or as corrupt as this one in my lifetime so I find it completely mystifying that anyone would think that any different government would not be an improvement.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/62661/parliament-worst-history-government-tories

 

[rockinj]

I would like to hear a factual explanation for that view, if you have one. I don't think there has ever been a government as bad or as corrupt as this one in my lifetime so I find it completely mystifying that anyone would think that any different government would not be an improvement.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/62661/parliament-worst-history-government-tories

Correct. It’s a lazy viewpoint.

There’s nothing to give any indication that Starmer will be anything other than decent. He’s not exciting but thoroughly decent and has a good CV.

After several years of possibly the worst Government in over a century (sunak is a bit better but overall!) then I don’t see anything other than a positive change.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

You’re deliberately missing the point. I’m talking about the excesses of it.

You can still be socially liberal eg gay rights and not take it to the extremes.

Also true liberalism would advocate plurality and freedom of the individual.

As if I’d deliberately miss your point…

 

[exiledclaseboy]

I agree with the “they’re all as bad as each other” nonsense being lazy though. They’re quite simply not. And if the evidence of the last 13 years isn’t enough for you then nothing ever will be. You can lament at the timidness at Starmer’s Labour all you like, that’s a perfectly valid point of view. But if you don’t put your cross next to the labour candidate’s name when the time comes next year then you’re part of the problem.

 

[jack123]

I would like to hear a factual explanation for that view, if you have one. I don't think there has ever been a government as bad or as corrupt as this one in my lifetime so I find it completely mystifying that anyone would think that any different government would not be an improvement.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/62661/parliament-worst-history-government-tories

A factual expiration for my view? Ha ha are you serious? I actually used the words 'I have a funny feeling'

 

[rockinj]

I agree with the “they’re all as bad as each other” nonsense being lazy though. They’re quite simply not. And if the evidence of the last 13 years isn’t enough for you then nothing ever will be. You can lament at the timidness at Starmer’s Labour all you like, that’s a perfectly valid point of view. But if you don’t put your cross next to the labour candidate’s name when the time comes left year then you’re part of the problem.

I think he’s very much in the Blair “what works” mode, but definitely more on soft left.

The reality is people don’t want a left wing Labour Party. They just don’t. He along with most of the more switched on labour MPs get this and positions the party accordingly. If Corbyn was still in we’d be talking about tories for another ten years.

How this simple truth just get ignored bemuses me. I say that as not a natural labour supporter but as someone who will be voting labour at next election.

 

[K23]

A factual expiration for my view? Ha ha are you serious? I actually used the words 'I have a funny feeling'

Sorry, I typed 'factual explanation'. So, you don't have a factual explanation, just a funny feeling. Ok.

 

[jack123]

Correct. It’s a lazy viewpoint.

There’s nothing to give any indication that Starmer will be anything other than decent. He’s not exciting but thoroughly decent and has a good CV.

After several years of possibly the worst Government in over a century (sunak is a bit better but overall!) then I don’t see anything other than a positive change.

Nah, bollocks to Labour, I've had an absolute titful of drakeford and his gimps ruining wales, and I see nothing in the bigger Uk picture, that keir starmer and his motley crew will do any different.

 

[jack123]

Sorry, I thought I'd typed 'factual explanation' but my tablet changed the spelling and I hadn't noticed. So, you don't have a factual explanation, just a funny feeling. Ok.

Well yeah, how the hell can you have a factual explanation for a hunch/funny feeling.

What are you saying, you have to explain yourself over a funny feeling? ha ha, I would suggest do a google of what a funny feeling in the English Dictionary refers to, it certainly does not need a factual explanation after using those words.