By-election results

[rockinj]

Nah, bollocks to Labour, I've had an absolute titful of drakeford and his gimps ruining wales, and I see nothing in the bigger Uk picture, that keir starmer and his motley crew will do any different.

If we’re going to treat devolution seriously then we need to judge it differently.

I’d never vote for Drakeford and his rag bag either. Hopeless.

But labour at a UK level are a different prospect. We need to start voting with intelligence like the Scots do.

This is a very difficult argument in wales though as unless you vote labour everytime you’re evil.

 

[K23]

Well yeah, how the hell can you have a factual explanation for a hunch/funny feeling.

What are you saying, you have to explain yourself over a funny feeling? ha ha, I would suggest do a google of what a funny feeling in the English Dictionary refers to, it certainly does not need a factual explanation after using those words.

You said: "I really think it will be out of the frying pan into the fire, with this current labour lot." so where is the bit about 'a funny feeling'?

You said it was what you "really think" so I'd foolishly assumed that meant it was what you really think which I'm sure most would agree, sounds a lot more than having a funny feeling.

 

[jack123]

You said: "I really think it will be out of the frying pan into the fire, with this current labour lot." so where is the bit about 'a funny feeling'?

You said it was what you "really think" so I'd foolishly assumed that meant it was what you really think which I'm sure most would agree, sounds a lot more than having a funny feeling.

Which IMHO, is the same as saying 'I have a funny feeling' surely you must have known exactly what I meant, I just think you are trying to be clever now, that's ok, but you are wasting your time tonight pal..

All I can say is, try harder next time, and ferk labour, I have had enough of drakeford and his goons, to even contemplate them for UK wide.

 

[K23]

Which IMHO, is the same as saying 'I have a funny feeling' surely you must have known exactly what I meant, I just think you are trying to be clever now, that's ok, but you are wasting your time tonight pal..

All I can say is, try harder next time, and ferk labour, I have had enough of drakeford and his goons, to even contemplate them for UK wide.

If it's just a funny feeling, maybe a few facts will make a difference. Labour were in power for 13 years 1997 to 2010. This is a list of 50 things they did or introduced during that time, all of which are verifiable and most of which benefited working class families:


Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
Introduced the concessionary travel scheme (which Johnson claimed was his!)
Introduced the Sure Start Scheme created to help those most in need by getting them back to work
Sustained low mortgage rates.
Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
Funding for every pupil in England doubled.
Employment at its highest level ever.
Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
85,000 more nurses.
32,000 more doctors.
Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
Dads get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
Restored city-wide government to London.
Record number of students in higher education.
Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
£200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
On course to exceed Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
Banned fox hunting.
Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
Free TV licences for over-75s.
Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
Over 3 million child trust funds started.
Free eye tests for over 60s.
More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
Free entry to national museums and galleries.
Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

 

[gadget1974]

If it's just a funny feeling, maybe a few facts will make a difference. Labour were in power for 13 years 1997 to 2010. This is a list of 50 things they did or introduced during that time, all of which are verifiable and most of which benefited working class families:


Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
Introduced the concessionary travel scheme (which Johnson claimed was his!)
Introduced the Sure Start Scheme created to help those most in need by getting them back to work
Sustained low mortgage rates.
Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
Funding for every pupil in England doubled.
Employment at its highest level ever.
Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
85,000 more nurses.
32,000 more doctors.
Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
Dads get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
Restored city-wide government to London.
Record number of students in higher education.
Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
£200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
On course to exceed Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
Banned fox hunting.
Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
Free TV licences for over-75s.
Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
Over 3 million child trust funds started.
Free eye tests for over 60s.
More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
Free entry to national museums and galleries.
Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

Yes but apart from all that, what have the Romans done for us?

 

[MajorR]

If it's just a funny feeling, maybe a few facts will make a difference. Labour were in power for 13 years 1997 to 2010. This is a list of 50 things they did or introduced during that time, all of which are verifiable and most of which benefited working class families:


Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
Introduced the concessionary travel scheme (which Johnson claimed was his!)
Introduced the Sure Start Scheme created to help those most in need by getting them back to work
Sustained low mortgage rates.
Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
Funding for every pupil in England doubled.
Employment at its highest level ever.
Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
85,000 more nurses.
32,000 more doctors.
Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
Dads get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
Restored city-wide government to London.
Record number of students in higher education.
Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
£200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
On course to exceed Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
Banned fox hunting.
Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
Free TV licences for over-75s.
Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
Over 3 million child trust funds started.
Free eye tests for over 60s.
More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
Free entry to national museums and galleries.
Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

And to can add the Freedom of Information Act to that. The FOI Act is in my opinion one of the most important pieces of legislation that has been introduced in the U.K. in many many years because it’s enabled the people to gain access to information which we’ve been able to use to shine a light on skullduggery and hold others to account, one such example being MP’s expenses.

Not all will welcome the Human Rights Act, but on balance that’s a pretty impressive list of achievements.

 

[Longlostjack]

But the Tories got Brexit done. Well not exactly. Wasn’t quite oven ready. Some Tories have apparently stopped the country from taking full advantage of Brexit. Meanwhile in the real world…..

 

[Robbie]

Without praising Drakeford too much , added to the fact I did not vote for Devolution or WAG back in the day .

I now have a bus pass and free prescriptions , after the impossible task of seeing an actual Doctor , thankfully my visits to local primary care clinic are few and far .

In reality I believe Wales has gone backward over the last 20 plus years , good and secure jobs overtaken a by short term fix .

Wonder how Amazon , a Univeral Company ended up in Jersey Marine too .

 

[K23]

And to can add the Freedom of Information Act to that. The FOI Act is in my opinion one of the most important pieces of legislation that has been introduced in the U.K. in many many years because it’s enabled the people to gain access to information which we’ve been able to use to shine a light on skullduggery and hold others to account, one such example being MP’s expenses.

Not all will welcome the Human Rights Act, but on balance that’s a pretty impressive list of achievements.

I hadn't noticed the omission of the FOI which, as you say, is extremely important and well spotted. I didn't compile the above list but knew where to find it for reference but it does say at the top of the original that they were just 50 plucked as examples from a longer list.

 

[K23]

Without praising Drakeford too much , added to the fact I did not vote for Devolution or WAG back in the day .

I now have a bus pass and free prescriptions , after the impossible task of seeing an actual Doctor , thankfully my visits to local primary care clinic are few and far .

In reality I believe Wales has gone backward over the last 20 plus years , good and secure jobs overtaken a by short term fix .

Wonder how Amazon , a Univeral Company ended up in Jersey Marine too .

I haven't lived in Wales since 1973 so I have no basis on which to disbelieve you when you say it has gone backwards over the last 20 years. What I do know though is that between 2014 and 2020, the UK received £15 billion of funding from the EU via the European Structural & Investment fund, of which Wales received about £2.8 billion which was about 4 times the UK average on a per capita basis. Since Brexit, that funding has unfortunately ceased so any recent perceived decline in Wales is unlikely to have slowed down.

 

[Swanjaxs]

I haven't lived in Wales since 1973 so I have no basis on which to disbelieve you when you say it has gone backwards over the last 20 years. What I do know though is that between 2014 and 2020, the UK received £15 billion of funding from the EU via the European Structural & Investment fund, of which Wales received about £2.8 billion which was about 4 times the UK average on a per capita basis. Since Brexit, that funding has unfortunately ceased so any recent perceived decline in Wales is unlikely to have slowed down.

It would be interesting to find out how much of the 2.8 billion has found its way outside of Cardiff Bay...

 

[jack_lord]

It would be interesting to find out how much of the 2.8 billion has found its way outside of Cardiff Bay...

55 pence

 

[jack_lord]

It would be interesting to find out how much of the 2.8 billion has found its way outside of Cardiff Bay...

I was working in Cardiff today and the skyline is approximately 25 years old. It is emblematic of how the pilot scheme has gone horribly wrong for the rest of Wales.