Execution in America

[Darran]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55642177

 

[airedale]

Obviously a nut job, but I can’t get my head around the rights and wrongs of the justice system in cases like this.

 

[Jackmanandboy]

The simply unbelievable work of a lawyer called Bryan Stevenson highlights the ineptitude of the American Justice System. There's a film about it called Just Mercy......you will not believe how bad things are.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Stevenson

 

[dickythorpe]

Totally correct punishment for this psychopath.
No rehabilitation would ever have helped her.

 

[Monty]

An Indictment of the state of the 'health service' in America. People don't seek it out cos they can't afford it. She had brain damage and was schizophrenic. There is a reason they have a very long history of insane murderers.

 

[Jackmanandboy]

An Indictment of the state of the 'health service' in America. People don't seek it out cos they can't afford it. She had brain damage and was schizophrenic. There is a reason they have a very long history of insane murderers.

My friend from NY says her five reasons to leave the USA were health, justice, education, welfare and crime.

 

[AceJack]

Totally correct punishment for this psychopath.
No rehabilitation would ever have helped her.

She was subject to the most horrific childhood imaginable. She was failed at every stage of her life. Her punishment was anything but correct.

 

[dickythorpe]

Totally correct punishment for this psychopath.
No rehabilitation would ever have helped her.

She was subject to the most horrific childhood imaginable. She was failed at every stage of her life. Her punishment was anything but correct.

So you are defending her?
I bet you'd have a different opinion if it had happened to a family member.

 

[dickythorpe]

Ace, what rehabilitation would have helped her then?

 

[AceJack]

She was subject to the most horrific childhood imaginable. She was failed at every stage of her life. Her punishment was anything but correct.

So you are defending her?
I bet you'd have a different opinion if it had happened to a family member.

If not putting severely mentally ill people to death is “defending her” then yeah I’m defending her. Yeah if it happened to my partner or my child I’d probably never get over something as horrific as what she did but that’s exactly the point of our justice system. Victims don’t decide the punishment, society does, and I don’t believe the state has a right to end the life of its citizens.

As a child Montgomery was subjected to horrific sexual and physical abuse by her father as well as being trafficked to men by her mother. I don’t fancy writing her biography for you but she was clearly severely mentally unwell as a direct result of her torturous childhood. What she did was unforgivable but the only two options left to society weren’t “set her free” or “execute her”. The Trump administration will be remembered for how it ended with an attempted coup but their bloodlust for executing federal prisoners should not be forgotten either.

 

[dickythorpe]

Interesting Ace.
Thanks for your opinion.

 

[JackSomething]

So you are defending her?
I bet you'd have a different opinion if it had happened to a family member.

If not putting severely mentally ill people to death is “defending her” then yeah I’m defending her. Yeah if it happened to my partner or my child I’d probably never get over something as horrific as what she did but that’s exactly the point of our justice system. Victims don’t decide the punishment, society does, and I don’t believe the state has a right to end the life of its citizens.

As a child Montgomery was subjected to horrific sexual and physical abuse by her father as well as being trafficked to men by her mother. I don’t fancy writing her biography for you but she was clearly severely mentally unwell as a direct result of her torturous childhood. What she did was unforgivable but the only two options left to society weren’t “set her free” or “execute her”. The Trump administration will be remembered for how it ended with an attempted coup but their bloodlust for executing federal prisoners should not be forgotten either.

I completely agree with you and am against capital punishment altogether (especially in a country where the justice system has been proven to be completely broken, but that's another topic).

It would be hard to stick to those beliefs if this happened to a family member, no doubt. Which is why you're right when you say the justice system needs to be as impartial as possible.

 

[Darran]

So you are defending her?
I bet you'd have a different opinion if it had happened to a family member.

If not putting severely mentally ill people to death is “defending her” then yeah I’m defending her. Yeah if it happened to my partner or my child I’d probably never get over something as horrific as what she did but that’s exactly the point of our justice system. Victims don’t decide the punishment, society does, and I don’t believe the state has a right to end the life of its citizens.

As a child Montgomery was subjected to horrific sexual and physical abuse by her father as well as being trafficked to men by her mother. I don’t fancy writing her biography for you but she was clearly severely mentally unwell as a direct result of her torturous childhood. What she did was unforgivable but the only two options left to society weren’t “set her free” or “execute her”. The Trump administration will be remembered for how it ended with an attempted coup but their bloodlust for executing federal prisoners should not be forgotten either.

I’m not against the death penalty I’d push the button on a few right now though this case looks rather sad and extremely harsh.
Interestingly I was having a read around the interweb earlier and discovered that there’s been 14 executions in the last 20 years all under a Republican administration,3 under Bush and 11 under Trump,all 11 under Trump have been in the last six months.

 

[AceJack]

If not putting severely mentally ill people to death is “defending her” then yeah I’m defending her. Yeah if it happened to my partner or my child I’d probably never get over something as horrific as what she did but that’s exactly the point of our justice system. Victims don’t decide the punishment, society does, and I don’t believe the state has a right to end the life of its citizens.

As a child Montgomery was subjected to horrific sexual and physical abuse by her father as well as being trafficked to men by her mother. I don’t fancy writing her biography for you but she was clearly severely mentally unwell as a direct result of her torturous childhood. What she did was unforgivable but the only two options left to society weren’t “set her free” or “execute her”. The Trump administration will be remembered for how it ended with an attempted coup but their bloodlust for executing federal prisoners should not be forgotten either.

I’m not against the death penalty I’d push the button on a few right now though this case looks rather sad and extremely harsh.
Interestingly I was having a read around the interweb earlier and discovered that there’s been 14 executions in the last 20 years all under a Republican administration,3 under Bush and 11 under Trump,all 11 under Trump have been in the last six months.

I’d never want to see the death penalty introduced in this country but from time to time you see something about some scum bastard getting put to death in the states and I’ll admit that on a rare occasion I’ll say to myself “ well if anyone deserved it, they did.”

The Montgomery case is sad for a number of reasons and I think how her life ended says more about the society she lived in than it does about her.

Yeah I was reading something not too long ago about the resumption of federal executions under Trump. As you say, Bush only did 3 and one of them was Timothy McVeigh ffs! I’ve no idea why the Trump administration resumed executions but maybe they thought it would play well with the voters? For them to continue after trumps loss is pretty abhorrent.

 

[BLAZE]

Interestingly I was having a read around the interweb earlier and discovered that there have been 14 executions in the last 20 years all under a Republican administration,3 under Bush and 11 under Trump, all 11 under Trump have been in the last six months.

That's federal executions, state executions are still fairly common. There were 17 last year, one of them by electric chair in Tennessee