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[Jack2jack]

From Labour’s 2021 election manifesto.

“Make 20mph the default speed limit in residential areas…”

Page 33.

https://movingforward.wales/documents/WEB-14542_21-Welsh-Labour-Manifesto_A5.pdf

So it was a manifesto pledge.

Thanks, seems pretty clear that

 

[exiledclaseboy]

Thanks, seems pretty clear that

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a clearer one. :lol:

 

[Jack2jack]

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a clearer one. :lol:

Indeed

 

[jack_lord]

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a clearer one. :lol:

"Make 20mph the default speed limit
in residential areas and ban pavement
parking wherever possible."

That unfortunate bit about default speed limit in residential areas is hardly clear though is it when we read that most 30 mph roads will become 20 mph?

So it is really an example of you ever seeing a clearer one?

Public health Wales. It makes Drakeford look like a genius.

The bin men wont get down our road if people don't park on the pavement

 

[exiledclaseboy]

"Make 20mph the default speed limit
in residential areas and ban pavement
parking wherever possible."

That unfortunate bit about default speed limit in residential areas is hardly clear though is it when we read that most 30 mph roads will become 20 mph?

So it is really an example of you ever seeing a clearer one?

Public health Wales. It makes Drakeford look like a genius.

The bin men wont get down our road if people don't park on the pavement

Pretty clear to me. You asked if it was a manifesto commitment. it was.

 

[Jack2jack]

"Make 20mph the default speed limit
in residential areas and ban pavement
parking wherever possible."

That unfortunate bit about default speed limit in residential areas is hardly clear though is it when we read that most 30 mph roads will become 20 mph?

So it is really an example of you ever seeing a clearer one?

Public health Wales. It makes Drakeford look like a genius.

The bin men wont get down our road if people don't park on the pavement

One of my bugbears that, folk parking on a footway. A footpath is specifically for pedestrians, not a parking bay for cars. It's for pedestrian safety, and part of the highway, and is deemed as an obstruction.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

One of my bugbears that, folk parking on a footway. A footpath is specifically for pedestrians, not a parking bay for cars. It's for pedestrian safety, and part of the highway, and is deemed as an obstruction.

Pavement parking is a modern blight. It has its place amd can sometimes be unavoidable but too many do it without any thought for pedestrians, especially those with prams, push chairs or the disabled.

 

[jack_lord]

One of my bugbears that, folk parking on a footway. A footpath is specifically for pedestrians, not a parking bay for cars. It's for pedestrian safety, and part of the highway, and is deemed as an obstruction.

Yes I agree. The problem is that the roads are sometimes just not wide enough and, for example in my cul-de-sac, we have wide pavements. Reduce the size of the pavements on either side of the carriageway and then there is plenty of room for the cars to park normally and for delivery vehicles and refuse collection vehicles to get by. One of the solutions people appear to have adopted in our cul-de-sac is that the cars are parked on part of the pavement allowing more than adequate space to pass on the pavement and also for delivery vehicles to get by on the road.

 

[Jack2jack]

Pavement parking is a modern blight. It has its place amd can sometimes be unavoidable but too many do it without any thought for pedestrians, especially those with prams, push chairs or the disabled.

Quite. I think half the problem is that folk see it as ok, maybe they could park sensibly elsewhere and walk the extra 50 yards.

 

[jack_lord]

Pretty clear to me. You asked if it was a manifesto commitment. it was.

I did ask and it is there but I don't think it is pretty clear.

If the pledge had been on page one and said we are going to change the 30 mph speed limit in Wales to 20 mph then it would have been clear.

 

[Skippyjack]

Cars are not built to go 20mh.. f*ck the car almost conks out in 2nd gear ffs

 

[exiledclaseboy]

I did ask and it is there but I don't think it is pretty clear.

If the pledge had been on page one and said we are going to change the 30 mph speed limit in Wales to 20 mph then it would have been clear.

Bloody hell no pleasing some people. It’s there but on the wrong page. :lol:

 

[Jack2jack]

Yes I agree. The problem is that the roads are sometimes just not wide enough and, for example in my cul-de-sac, we have wide pavements. Reduce the size of the pavements on either side of the carriageway and then there is plenty of room for the cars to park normally and for delivery vehicles and refuse collection vehicles to get by. One of the solutions people appear to have adopted in our cul-de-sac is that the cars are parked on part of the pavement allowing more than adequate space to pass on the pavement and also for delivery vehicles to get by on the road.

The problem is that many older estates, were built at a time when there weren't the volume of cars on the road, every household seems to have at least two cars these days, and often have no off street parking, it's an issue. The cost to local authorities of providing on street parking is prohibitive. I recall many years ago, the council spent vast sums to remove grass verges, to provide parking for cars, there simply isn't any money for that sort of thing these days.

 

[JackSomething]

Pavement parking is a modern blight. It has its place amd can sometimes be unavoidable but too many do it without any thought for pedestrians, especially those with prams, push chairs or the disabled.

Careful now, you know how it can kick off if you criticise someone's parking...

 

[jack_lord]

The problem is that many older estates, were built at a time when there weren't the volume of cars on the road, every household seems to have at least two cars these days, and often have no off street parking, it's an issue. The cost to local authorities of providing on street parking is prohibitive. I recall many years ago, the council spent vast sums to remove grass verges, to provide parking for cars, there simply isn't any money for that sort of thing these days.

I want to suggest any potential solutions but don't want to appear to encourage parking on pavements.

Every road is an individual case and with that thought in my head I really hope that the council excludes roads from the 20 mph default that will have any economic impact. We are are already experiencing the highest levels of poverty in UK and have a small private sector. It is going to be difficult to attract investments as we are so far away from the commercial hub and slowing people down may be a further problem.