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[jack123]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/02/welsh-council-scraps-20mph-speed-limit-community-backlash/

This might give an insight on what is coming.

The more people moan is a good thing.

Politicians need to learn they are actually accountable. My local councillor is Conservative but if he were Labour (because the incumbent is a man) I would be telling him I would not be voting for the Party in Wales at local council and assembly level.

Can't see Swansea Council going against it, a month or so back, I read a bit of a report from WOL, about a meeting SCC about dealing with when the new laws come in, from what I remember they were all for it.

The state of the roads in Swansea perhaps they should make it 5mph, it really feels like playing super mario cart round here all the swerving, just to avoid massive holes.

Sooner the 12 monkey labour lot go, the better. :evil:

 

[Swanjaxs]

Can't see Swansea Council going against it, a month or so back, I read a bit of a report from WOL, about a meeting SCC about dealing with when the new laws come in, from what I remember they were all for it.

The state of the roads in Swansea perhaps they should make it 5mph, it really feels like playing super mario cart round here all the swerving, just to avoid massive holes.

Sooner the 12 monkey labour lot go, the better. :evil:

 

[jack123]

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:lol: I hope you are not comparing me to Vic Meldrew just for pointing out the potholes?

I don't believe it. Literally everybody is moaning about them. I have never seen them so bad.

 

[Dr. Winston]

Signed.

20mph near schools is correct, blanket pretty much everywhere is sheer lunacy.

20mph near schools during school hours is correct. 20mph near schools on a Sunday evening is idiotic.

 

[Jack2jack]

Can't see Swansea Council going against it, a month or so back, I read a bit of a report from WOL, about a meeting SCC about dealing with when the new laws come in, from what I remember they were all for it.

The state of the roads in Swansea perhaps they should make it 5mph, it really feels like playing super mario cart round here all the swerving, just to avoid massive holes.

Sooner the 12 monkey labour lot go, the better. :evil:

Funny you mention potholes, we went for a spin down to Mumbles earlier.

 

[jack123]

Funny you mention potholes, we went for a spin down to Mumbles earlier.
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Looking at this, apparently it's planned work, for some time this year.

https://swanseabaynews.com/2023/04/14/council-unveils-list-of-roads-set-for-major-resurfacing-work-in-swansea/?fbclid=IwAR2vtprjeG4EkKB6NAbOh_Ju_gpY32XjyZZY5XfIPS3OGLQRmo4MBIjQh5w

These 12 monkey goons are spending 33 mill plus on just 20mph signage in Wales, and the roads are shocking.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

20mph near schools during school hours is correct. 20mph near schools on a Sunday evening is idiotic.

Are you less likely to get killed if hit at 30mph on a Sunday then? And any idea of the cost of changing speed limits on minor roads depending on the day of the week or time of the day?

 

[Jack2jack]

Are you less likely to get killed if hit at 30mph on a Sunday then? And any idea of the cost of changing speed limits on minor roads depending on the day of the week or time of the day?

VSL signs are costly to install and are a maintenance nightmare, so are deemed impractical. A blanket speed limit is far more cost effective in the long run, sort of fire and forget.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

VSL signs are costly to install and are a maintenance nightmare, so are deemed impractical. A blanket speed limit is far more cost effective in the long run, sort of fire and forget.

Well quite. I’ve no doubt that those moaning about blanket speed limits would be moaning about the cost of variable speed limits if they were introduced. Especially if Labour did it. Amd especially especially if the Welsh government did it. If the Tories did it they’d be all for it of course.

 

[Jack2jack]

Well quite. I’ve no doubt that those moaning about blanket speed limits would be moaning about the cost of variable speed limits if they were introduced. Especially if Labour did it. Amd especially especially if the Welsh government did it. If the Tories did it they’d be all for it of course.

I'm not a huge fan of the WAG transport policy, I think its flawed in so many ways.I believe that the 20mph zone scheme, will be implimented with the best intentions, there are obviously limitations, and will be nigh on impossible to police, but as road users we ALL have a responsibility to make things work.

 

[jack_lord]

I'm not a huge fan of the WAG transport policy, I think its flawed in so many ways.I believe that the 20mph zone scheme, will be implimented with the best intentions, there are obviously limitations, and will be nigh on impossible to police, but as road users we ALL have a responsibility to make things work.

While it may be nigh on impossible to police, policed it will be and there are going to be more and more doing the beloved speed awareness course.

20 mph is appropriate in places but not everywhere as they are roads for vehicles to get about with. It is not, in my opinion, responsible to implement this. We have freedom of speech but we have some prize idiots trying to make names for themselves by introducing this draconian measure.

 

[Jack2jack]

While it may be nigh on impossible to police, policed it will be and there are going to be more and more doing the beloved speed awareness course.

20 mph is appropriate in places but not everywhere as they are roads for vehicles to get about with. It is not, in my opinion, responsible to implement this. We have freedom of speech but we have some prize idiots trying to make names for themselves by introducing this draconian measure.

I'm in agreement in part, and I'm not a huge fan of this either. However, we are where we are and it's now up to local authorities to implement the measures in the best way possible, it's a huge undertaking. There are far more pressing matters to attend to, why this is being rolled out in it's current guise, I'm not sure. The WAG gives its reasons on their website, but I'm not wholly convinced.

 

[jack_lord]

I'm in agreement in part, and I'm not a huge fan of this either. However, we are where we are and it's now up to local authorities to implement the measures in the best way possible, it's a huge undertaking. There are far more pressing matters to attend to, why this is being rolled out in it's current guise, I'm not sure. The WAG gives its reasons on their website, but I'm not wholly convinced.

How are we where we are now though?

Did the Labour party say they were going to introduce this speed limit in any manifesto? Surely there has to be some accountability to this decision because they are going to spend an absolute fortune on this.

Now I am an advocate of reducing reliance on the private motor vehicle and I wrote my Masters dissertation on the opportunities for public transport but not at any cost. How many countries in Europe or the world have speed limits of less than 30 mph (50 Kph)? There are economic costs beyond the implementation of signage.

 

[exiledclaseboy]

How are we where we are now though?

Did the Labour party say they were going to introduce this speed limit in any manifesto? Surely there has to be some accountability to this decision because they are going to spend an absolute fortune on this.

Now I am an advocate of reducing reliance on the private motor vehicle and I wrote my Masters dissertation on the opportunities for public transport but not at any cost. How many countries in Europe or the world have speed limits of less than 30 mph (50 Kph)? There are economic costs beyond the implementation of signage.

From Labour’s 2021 election manifesto.

“Make 20mph the default speed limit in residential areas…”

Page 33.

https://movingforward.wales/documents/WEB-14542_21-Welsh-Labour-Manifesto_A5.pdf

So it was a manifesto pledge.

 

[Jack2jack]

How are we where we are now though?

Did the Labour party say they were going to introduce this speed limit in any manifesto? Surely there has to be some accountability to this decision because they are going to spend an absolute fortune on this.

Now I am an advocate of reducing reliance on the private motor vehicle and I wrote my Masters dissertation on the opportunities for public transport but not at any cost. How many countries in Europe or the world have speed limits of less than 30 mph (50 Kph)? There are economic costs beyond the implementation of signage.

I have no idea, what was in their manifesto, but they have the mandate, which appears to give Carte blanch to implement any hair brained scheme that comes to mind. To be clear I think it's flawed, and a poor idea at best and will have consequences. The only thing I agree with them is that it may save lives, other than that the rest of their reasons for the rollout are debatable. Iam not aware of any other country with blanket speed limits of less than 30mph.
I'm in no way a fan of Drakeford and I think many of his decisions have been and will be to the detriment of this Country, just my opinion.