Israel & Palestine

[Ebo]

I am making a comparison. The met tweets within hours yet our government refuse to condemn the acts of terror against Palestine. As bad as what happened in London is, it is nowhere near the level of terror the Palestinians are feeling compared to a few backward gobshites shouting abuse from a car.

You’re equivocating over rape threats. Jesus wept.

Jesus wept.....

Read my post slowly, It's also a shame that the useless waste of oxygen Starmer is not attacking the govt over it's non action over the crisis.

At least the culprits are being caught, meanwhile our own crooks are letting more crooks getting away with genocide.

 

[AceJack]

You’re equivocating over rape threats. Jesus wept.

Jesus wept.....

Read my post slowly, It's also a shame that the useless waste of oxygen Starmer is not attacking the govt over it's non action over the crisis.

At least the culprits are being caught, meanwhile our own crooks are letting more crooks getting away with genocide.

Starmer has been critical of Israel. And he did it without standing next to a 10 ft antisemitic inflatable stolen straight from the set of Borat.

What genocide would that be?

 

[Ebo]

Jesus wept.....

Read my post slowly, It's also a shame that the useless waste of oxygen Starmer is not attacking the govt over it's non action over the crisis.

At least the culprits are being caught, meanwhile our own crooks are letting more crooks getting away with genocide.

Starmer has been critical of Israel. And he did it without standing next to a 10 ft antisemitic inflatable stolen straight from the set of Borat.

What genocide would that be?

You would swear JC brought the inflatable along with him the way you are talking.

Starmer still thinks a 2 nation state is possible yet every middle east expert and scholar will tell you that boat sailed years ago due to the continuing annexation of the West Bank. A 2 nation state would make the area look like swiss cheese with settlements ringing Palestinian areas and Palestinian areas ringing settlement areas. The settlers are violent and would not live surrounded by arabs, these settlers are also armed too.

Genocide - the systematic culling of the Palestinian people through military force and torture. The Palestinian owned farms and houses being destroyed and the cutting off of water to instead serve the illegal settlements, the annexation of the West Bank where Palestinians are being evicted to make way for settlements. A sea and land blockade where nothing goes in or out, they cannot even flee as refugees.

They won't stop until Gaza is flattened and its population is left to die of hunger and disease. It is genocide.

 

[Ebo]

Jesus wept.....

Read my post slowly, It's also a shame that the useless waste of oxygen Starmer is not attacking the govt over it's non action over the crisis.

At least the culprits are being caught, meanwhile our own crooks are letting more crooks getting away with genocide.

Starmer has been critical of Israel. And he did it without standing next to a 10 ft antisemitic inflatable stolen straight from the set of Borat.

What genocide would that be?

I suggest you also watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZSaKYmP2s&ab_channel=EmpireFiles

 

[AceJack]

Starmer has been critical of Israel. And he did it without standing next to a 10 ft antisemitic inflatable stolen straight from the set of Borat.

What genocide would that be?

You would swear JC brought the inflatable along with him the way you are talking.

Starmer still thinks a 2 nation state is possible yet every middle east expert and scholar will tell you that boat sailed years ago due to the continuing annexation of the West Bank. A 2 nation state would make the area look like swiss cheese with settlements ringing Palestinian areas and Palestinian areas ringing settlement areas. The settlers are violent and would not live surrounded by arabs, these settlers are also armed too.

Genocide - the systematic culling of the Palestinian people through military force and torture. The Palestinian owned farms and houses being destroyed and the cutting off of water to instead serve the illegal settlements, the annexation of the West Bank where Palestinians are being evicted to make way for settlements. A sea and land blockade where nothing goes in or out, they cannot even flee as refugees.

They won't stop until Gaza is flattened and its population is left to die of hunger and disease. It is genocide.

Your justification for Jeremy Corbyn giving a speech in front of a giant anti-Semitic inflatable is that he didn't bring it from home? Fair play thats not even trying. Just another unfortunate mishap from the worlds unluckiest anti-racist.

So your proposal is to take Israel off the map? How would your one state solution work?

What's happening in Gaza is horrific but its not genocide. This week we've witnessed war crimes and ethnic cleansing but that doesn't mean the situation is akin to genocide. Antisemites often like to compare the situation to genocide or Nazi Germany because it cheapens the suffering of the Jewish people.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/

 

[Ebo]

You would swear JC brought the inflatable along with him the way you are talking.

Starmer still thinks a 2 nation state is possible yet every middle east expert and scholar will tell you that boat sailed years ago due to the continuing annexation of the West Bank. A 2 nation state would make the area look like swiss cheese with settlements ringing Palestinian areas and Palestinian areas ringing settlement areas. The settlers are violent and would not live surrounded by arabs, these settlers are also armed too.

Genocide - the systematic culling of the Palestinian people through military force and torture. The Palestinian owned farms and houses being destroyed and the cutting off of water to instead serve the illegal settlements, the annexation of the West Bank where Palestinians are being evicted to make way for settlements. A sea and land blockade where nothing goes in or out, they cannot even flee as refugees.

They won't stop until Gaza is flattened and its population is left to die of hunger and disease. It is genocide.

Your justification for Jeremy Corbyn giving a speech in front of a giant anti-Semitic inflatable is that he didn't bring it from home? Fair play thats not even trying. Just another unfortunate mishap from the worlds unluckiest anti-racist.

So your proposal is to take Israel off the map? How would your one state solution work?

What's happening in Gaza is horrific but its not genocide. This week we've witnessed war crimes and ethnic cleansing but that doesn't mean the situation is akin to genocide. Antisemites often like to compare the situation to genocide or Nazi Germany because it cheapens the suffering of the Jewish people.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/

Of course it is genocide you total helmet. Netenyahu is slowly killing the young generation of Palestines so that they cannot continue the fight. Chemical weapons used on Gaza, children shot and killed, red crescent workers shot and killed doing their job, explosive bullets banned worldwide used as well as phosphorus weapons. Imagine if this was the Iranians or the Iraqis committing these war crimes? Each of those things I mentioned are abusing and breaking UN mandates, but you can't call Israel out because you will get the AS label thrown at you.

Starmer is doing fuck all like his pal Boris, just a token "stop please and ceasefire" when they really should be tough on Israel with sanctions and boycotts. Calling JC a racist is laughable when you see his long history of helping ethnic communities. It is the only stick you saboteurs have and it's broken.

 

[AceJack]

Your justification for Jeremy Corbyn giving a speech in front of a giant anti-Semitic inflatable is that he didn't bring it from home? Fair play thats not even trying. Just another unfortunate mishap from the worlds unluckiest anti-racist.

So your proposal is to take Israel off the map? How would your one state solution work?

What's happening in Gaza is horrific but its not genocide. This week we've witnessed war crimes and ethnic cleansing but that doesn't mean the situation is akin to genocide. Antisemites often like to compare the situation to genocide or Nazi Germany because it cheapens the suffering of the Jewish people.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/

Of course it is genocide you total helmet. Netenyahu is slowly killing the young generation of Palestines so that they cannot continue the fight. Chemical weapons used on Gaza, children shot and killed, red crescent workers shot and killed doing their job, explosive bullets banned worldwide used as well as phosphorus weapons. Imagine if this was the Iranians or the Iraqis committing these war crimes? Each of those things I mentioned are abusing and breaking UN mandates, but you can't call Israel out because you will get the AS label thrown at you.

Starmer is doing f**k all like his pal Boris, just a token "stop please and ceasefire" when they really should be tough on Israel with sanctions and boycotts. Calling JC a racist is laughable when you see his long history of helping ethnic communities. It is the only stick you saboteurs have and it's broken.

It's a genocide where the Palestinian population continues to grow year on year. Strange how that one works. And I literally called out the war crimes in the response you're quoting. It's quite easy to call out the crimes of the state of Israel without being anti-semitic. Just because you're struggling with it doesn't mean its hard.

What sanctions do you propose?

Does Jeremy Corbyn get racism credits then because he's on the left and he's occasionally nice? I bet he's got loads of black friends too. As you've stopped responding with the allegation head on I can only assume you accept Corbyn gave a speech in front of an enormous anti-Semitic depiction of MBS but you don't particularly care. Thankfully he's no longer a Labour MP and that won't be changing anytime soon. When the independent complaints process is fully implemented his feet wont touch the floor when he's finally reprimanded for his catalogue of disgusting racist acts. Maybe they'll start with that time he said it would be a pleasure to invite someone who called for the deaths of Jews for tea on the commons terrace, or maybe that time he laid a wreath to commemorate terrorists who murdered Jewish athletes, or maybe all the times he said Chris Williamson was a fantastic anti racist while he was publicly supporting holocaust deniers or taunting Jews on the day of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting.

You're quick to explain away rape threats towards Jewish children and clear cut examples of anti Jewish racism. Could you possibly think they deserve it because of the crimes of the state of Israel? Looks like IMO. The case for Palestinian justice is severely damaged and easily dismissed because of the litany of cranks and Jew haters that flock to it because it provides cover for their very real prejudices. What's worse is it radicalises people who consider themselves as anti-racists into people who spout the same talking points as neo-nazis. You couldn't condemn rape threats made against Jewish girls in this country without adding a qualifier about crimes committed by unrelated peoples in a country 3000 miles from our own.

Ask yourself what kind of people explain away targeted threats of violence against religious or ethnic minorities?

 

[Ebo]

Of course it is genocide you total helmet. Netenyahu is slowly killing the young generation of Palestines so that they cannot continue the fight. Chemical weapons used on Gaza, children shot and killed, red crescent workers shot and killed doing their job, explosive bullets banned worldwide used as well as phosphorus weapons. Imagine if this was the Iranians or the Iraqis committing these war crimes? Each of those things I mentioned are abusing and breaking UN mandates, but you can't call Israel out because you will get the AS label thrown at you.

Starmer is doing f**k all like his pal Boris, just a token "stop please and ceasefire" when they really should be tough on Israel with sanctions and boycotts. Calling JC a racist is laughable when you see his long history of helping ethnic communities. It is the only stick you saboteurs have and it's broken.

It's a genocide where the Palestinian population continues to grow year on year. Strange how that one works. And I literally called out the war crimes in the response you're quoting. It's quite easy to call out the crimes of the state of Israel without being anti-semitic. Just because you're struggling with it doesn't mean its hard.

What sanctions do you propose?

Does Jeremy Corbyn get racism credits then because he's on the left and he's occasionally nice? I bet he's got loads of black friends too. As you've stopped responding with the allegation head on I can only assume you accept Corbyn gave a speech in front of an enormous anti-Semitic depiction of MBS but you don't particularly care. Thankfully he's no longer a Labour MP and that won't be changing anytime soon. When the independent complaints process is fully implemented his feet wont touch the floor when he's finally reprimanded for his catalogue of disgusting racist acts. Maybe they'll start with that time he said it would be a pleasure to invite someone who called for the deaths of Jews for tea on the commons terrace, or maybe that time he laid a wreath to commemorate terrorists who murdered Jewish athletes, or maybe all the times he said Chris Williamson was a fantastic anti racist while he was publicly supporting holocaust deniers or taunting Jews on the day of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting.

You're quick to explain away rape threats towards Jewish children and clear cut examples of anti Jewish racism. Could you possibly think they deserve it because of the crimes of the state of Israel? Looks like IMO. The case for Palestinian justice is severely damaged and easily dismissed because of the litany of cranks and Jew haters that flock to it because it provides cover for their very real prejudices. What's worse is it radicalises people who consider themselves as anti-racists into people who spout the same talking points as neo-nazis. You couldn't condemn rape threats made against Jewish girls in this country without adding a qualifier about crimes committed by unrelated peoples in a country 3000 miles from our own.

Ask yourself what kind of people explain away targeted threats of violence against religious or ethnic minorities?

I think an act of genocide that is really happening right now is far more serious than some idiot yelling an alleged rape threat from a car, especially when that person is currently being dealt with and investigated. Yet the perpetrators of the genocide are getting away with serious war crimes and not being investigated.

"It's a genocide where the Palestinian population continues to grow year on year. Strange how that one works"

Wrong. Why do you think IDF are targeting children and teenagers?

The case for Palestinian justice is severely damaged and easily dismissed because of the litany of cranks and Jew haters that flock to it because it provides cover for their very real prejudices

Have you seen the absolutely mentalist types who flock to the 'stand with Israel' crowd? Mostly ultra conservative, gun toting Americans who flock under the anti-islam banner.

What sanctions do you propose?

For a start stop funding the war machine, ha;t manufacturing, halt trade deals etc... expel diplomats. It won't happen though as any interference will only get a shaming AS label from Israel

As you've stopped responding with the allegation head on I can only assume you accept Corbyn gave a speech in front of an enormous anti-Semitic depiction of MBS but you don't particularly care

Like I said, you probably think he took it to the event and personally blew the thing up himself. I doubt he would have noticed it until too late but it does not suit your personal narrative does it? The worst PM in history, leading the worst government in history yet Labour should be way ahead, no doubt you will blame JC despite him not even being the leader. It will stay like this for the next GE under Starmer who I think will have an even worse turn out of votes than labour in 2019.

Honestly you are getting like Kerouac.

 

[AceJack]

It's a genocide where the Palestinian population continues to grow year on year. Strange how that one works. And I literally called out the war crimes in the response you're quoting. It's quite easy to call out the crimes of the state of Israel without being anti-semitic. Just because you're struggling with it doesn't mean its hard.

What sanctions do you propose?

Does Jeremy Corbyn get racism credits then because he's on the left and he's occasionally nice? I bet he's got loads of black friends too. As you've stopped responding with the allegation head on I can only assume you accept Corbyn gave a speech in front of an enormous anti-Semitic depiction of MBS but you don't particularly care. Thankfully he's no longer a Labour MP and that won't be changing anytime soon. When the independent complaints process is fully implemented his feet wont touch the floor when he's finally reprimanded for his catalogue of disgusting racist acts. Maybe they'll start with that time he said it would be a pleasure to invite someone who called for the deaths of Jews for tea on the commons terrace, or maybe that time he laid a wreath to commemorate terrorists who murdered Jewish athletes, or maybe all the times he said Chris Williamson was a fantastic anti racist while he was publicly supporting holocaust deniers or taunting Jews on the day of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting.

You're quick to explain away rape threats towards Jewish children and clear cut examples of anti Jewish racism. Could you possibly think they deserve it because of the crimes of the state of Israel? Looks like IMO. The case for Palestinian justice is severely damaged and easily dismissed because of the litany of cranks and Jew haters that flock to it because it provides cover for their very real prejudices. What's worse is it radicalises people who consider themselves as anti-racists into people who spout the same talking points as neo-nazis. You couldn't condemn rape threats made against Jewish girls in this country without adding a qualifier about crimes committed by unrelated peoples in a country 3000 miles from our own.

Ask yourself what kind of people explain away targeted threats of violence against religious or ethnic minorities?

I think an act of genocide that is really happening right now is far more serious than some idiot yelling an alleged rape threat from a car, especially when that person is currently being dealt with and investigated. Yet the perpetrators of the genocide are getting away with serious war crimes and not being investigated.

"It's a genocide where the Palestinian population continues to grow year on year. Strange how that one works"

Wrong. Why do you think IDF are targeting children and teenagers?

The case for Palestinian justice is severely damaged and easily dismissed because of the litany of cranks and Jew haters that flock to it because it provides cover for their very real prejudices

Have you seen the absolutely mentalist types who flock to the 'stand with Israel' crowd? Mostly ultra conservative, gun toting Americans who flock under the anti-islam banner.

What sanctions do you propose?

For a start stop funding the war machine, ha;t manufacturing, halt trade deals etc... expel diplomats. It won't happen though as any interference will only get a shaming AS label from Israel

As you've stopped responding with the allegation head on I can only assume you accept Corbyn gave a speech in front of an enormous anti-Semitic depiction of MBS but you don't particularly care

Like I said, you probably think he took it to the event and personally blew the thing up himself. I doubt he would have noticed it until too late but it does not suit your personal narrative does it? The worst PM in history, leading the worst government in history yet Labour should be way ahead, no doubt you will blame JC despite him not even being the leader. It will stay like this for the next GE under Starmer who I think will have an even worse turn out of votes than labour in 2019.

Honestly you are getting like Kerouac.

Still equivocating on rape threats made against children then. Classy.

Yeah I've seen some pretty disgusting things from far right ultra nationalist israelis over the last few weeks and beyond.

Your association of criticism of Israel being directly tied in to antisemitism is a huge tell in itself. You can criticise Israel without being antisemitic but you don't seem to be particularly motivated to learn the difference, instead making all criticism synonymous with antisemitism. This allows you to overlook clear cut instances of antisemitism like the absolute boys past transgressions. It stinks, its vile, it creates an unsafe environment for Jews in our immediate vicinity and it does an enormous disservice to the Palestinian people who do not deserve to have their cause associated with abhorrent racists.

 

[Trampie]

The Guardian (@guardian) Tweeted: 'Racist and reprehensible': Jewish Power set to enter Israel's parliament https://t.co/FvRRhyNdPi https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1374725037673095170?s=20

 

[Ebo]

I think an act of genocide that is really happening right now is far more serious than some idiot yelling an alleged rape threat from a car, especially when that person is currently being dealt with and investigated. Yet the perpetrators of the genocide are getting away with serious war crimes and not being investigated.


Wrong. Why do you think IDF are targeting children and teenagers?


Have you seen the absolutely mentalist types who flock to the 'stand with Israel' crowd? Mostly ultra conservative, gun toting Americans who flock under the anti-islam banner.


For a start stop funding the war machine, ha;t manufacturing, halt trade deals etc... expel diplomats. It won't happen though as any interference will only get a shaming AS label from Israel



Like I said, you probably think he took it to the event and personally blew the thing up himself. I doubt he would have noticed it until too late but it does not suit your personal narrative does it? The worst PM in history, leading the worst government in history yet Labour should be way ahead, no doubt you will blame JC despite him not even being the leader. It will stay like this for the next GE under Starmer who I think will have an even worse turn out of votes than labour in 2019.

Honestly you are getting like Kerouac.

Still equivocating on rape threats made against children then. Classy.

Yeah I've seen some pretty disgusting things from far right ultra nationalist israelis over the last few weeks and beyond.

Your association of criticism of Israel being directly tied in to antisemitism is a huge tell in itself. You can criticise Israel without being antisemitic but you don't seem to be particularly motivated to learn the difference, instead making all criticism synonymous with antisemitism. This allows you to overlook clear cut instances of antisemitism like the absolute boys past transgressions. It stinks, its vile, it creates an unsafe environment for Jews in our immediate vicinity and it does an enormous disservice to the Palestinian people who do not deserve to have their cause associated with abhorrent racists.

The angrier you get, the more total and complete bollocks you spew. Where am I being AS? If people do wrong they need to be called out and brought to account and I could not care less what fucking sky god they believe in. It seems now you cannot call out israeli war crimes for fear of being labelled AS yet the Israeli govt are the biggest AS on the planet.

 

[Jackmanandboy]

The thing I don't understand is why with an estimated 2 million Uighers in detention they are ignored by Corbyn et al.

 

[AceJack]

The thing I don't understand is why with an estimated 2 million Uighers in detention they are ignored by Corbyn et al.

It’s because for lots of them it’s about hating Jews.

 

[AceJack]

Still equivocating on rape threats made against children then. Classy.

Yeah I've seen some pretty disgusting things from far right ultra nationalist israelis over the last few weeks and beyond.

Your association of criticism of Israel being directly tied in to antisemitism is a huge tell in itself. You can criticise Israel without being antisemitic but you don't seem to be particularly motivated to learn the difference, instead making all criticism synonymous with antisemitism. This allows you to overlook clear cut instances of antisemitism like the absolute boys past transgressions. It stinks, its vile, it creates an unsafe environment for Jews in our immediate vicinity and it does an enormous disservice to the Palestinian people who do not deserve to have their cause associated with abhorrent racists.

The angrier you get, the more total and complete bollocks you spew. Where am I being AS? If people do wrong they need to be called out and brought to account and I could not care less what f*****g sky god they believe in. It seems now you cannot call out israeli war crimes for fear of being labelled AS yet the Israeli govt are the biggest AS on the planet.

Your continued support of anti-Semites and downplaying of targeted hate crimes against Jews is pretty anti-Semitic.

Again, it’s quite easy to call out Israeli war crimes without being antisemitic. Don’t do it standing in front of an enormous anti-Semitic inflatable for example.

 

[Ebo]

The angrier you get, the more total and complete bollocks you spew. Where am I being AS? If people do wrong they need to be called out and brought to account and I could not care less what f*****g sky god they believe in. It seems now you cannot call out israeli war crimes for fear of being labelled AS yet the Israeli govt are the biggest AS on the planet.

Your continued support of anti-Semites and downplaying of targeted hate crimes against Jews is pretty anti-Semitic.

Again, it’s quite easy to call out Israeli war crimes without being antisemitic. Don’t do it standing in front of an enormous anti-Semitic inflatable for example.

So you really think that JC took an inflatable to the event or encouraged someone to do it? It was behind him and I doubt he even saw it until the pictures afterwards.

Jesus wept, you should be writing for the Spectator.